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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Yes Thank you Rae, I had the RBL there with me, but I am not kidding when we were literally taken in sat down, told I had won, then sent out, the poor sod had come all the way down from London, his day started at 0530!

Besides, it took me another five hours to actually realise what it meant, to be honest, I still don't really know what it all means now, but I am tired with it all now, I have a veterans outreach centre I can go to next week to get someone to explain it to me, in language I understand...

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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You can appeal; but it would be to the upper tier and you'd probably need someone experienced with doing that. If your condition has worsened your original assessment, you can tell DWP that you wish to have your case looked at on the basis of a change in circumstances.

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You can appeal; but it would be to the upper tier and you'd probably need someone experienced with doing that. If your condition has worsened your original assessment, you can tell DWP that you wish to have your case looked at on the basis of a change in circumstances.

 

I am in the process of doing that - believe it could take some time (or so I was told).

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Yes, the hoops depend on the recommended interval before reassessment. Is the twelve months from Tatos, or from a specific date on your tribunal decision notice? The hoops also depend on whether your award's based on national insurance contributions or income related. There's no longer a limit to the number of work focused interviews, but recipients of a contributions flavoured award, or credits only, can't be mandated to the work programme.

 

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Once about every 10 weeks was what I had.

No pressure was applied - they were very helpful all in all.

The problems start once you leave the JC and move over onto the work programme.

 

Had I have known then what I know now, about the work programme I would have appealed my WRAG placement.

 

What happened to you on the work programmed whilst on WRAG?

 

There isnt too many reports from people who have been on it whilst on ESA.

 

I had one WFI, and then got moved to the SG, after my single WFI I was told tho I was been moved to phone interviews so I think wasnt going to be put on the WP.

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What is WFI please?

 

And there is absolutely no chance of me doing any phone interviews!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Excellent cheers!

I have no idea when I will be summonsed for their Work Focused interrogation, but I'm looking forward to dealings with them,

hope they're a fan of you tube!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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What happened to you on the work programmed whilst on WRAG?

 

There isnt too many reports from people who have been on it whilst on ESA.

 

I had one WFI, and then got moved to the SG, after my single WFI I was told tho I was been moved to phone interviews so I think wasnt going to be put on the WP.

 

 

With my JC adviser nothing really happened.

Each time I saw her she asked me what if anything had happened in respect of my health,change of medication etc, which she entered into the computer.

Had I had any thoughts of doing volunteer work, was I able to do my craft work, all put into the comp, but she never ever forced me to do anything.

She printed off things for me to look at - asked me at the next meeting how I had got on with it.

But she always made it clear she was not there to force me against my will.

I think I was very lucky all in all with my adviser.

 

But I also did my bit, I was never late, never missed an appointment, always polite and respectful, because there was nothing to be disrespectful over.

 

When she finally signed me off from her and handed me over to the work programme people, I truly felt she was not happy in doing so.

She made a point about them not forcing me to anything that was detrimental to my well being (pity they do not see it like that).

She also said if at the end of the two years with them - you are still not working, then you will come back to us.

All in all just friendly professional meetings with a caring attitude (again something the WP seem to not understand).

 

She even told me she new my CPN nurse, and asked me to say 'hello' to her, for her.

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I'm very confused.

So I have been put in the WRAG group, then am automatically pushed into another group after a set period of time, in order to do work??

 

This is what I am ultimately looking to be answered, as I have absolutely no idea what it all really means.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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I'm very confused.

So I have been put in the WRAG group, then am automatically pushed into another group after a set period of time, in order to do work??

 

This is what I am ultimately looking to be answered, as I have absolutely no idea what it all really means.

 

No. As long as you remain in the ESA WRAG you can't be forced to work or apply for jobs. If memory serves, a 12 month prognosis means you can't be forced to participate in the Work Programme, but I won't swear to that.

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No. As long as you remain in the ESA WRAG you can't be forced to work or apply for jobs. If memory serves, a 12 month prognosis means you can't be forced to participate in the Work Programme, but I won't swear to that.

 

The rules changed December 2012, the only ESA claimants that can opt out from the Work Programme are:

 

ESA (IR) WRAG with either 18-24 month prognosis, ESA © WRAG (these two groups are voluntary at the point of referral to the WP, but become mandatory if the claimant volunteers)

 

 

The next section of groups are wholly voluntary.

 

ESA (IR) or © support group

ESA WRAG (lone parent with a youngest child under five or carers)

ESA credits only

Pension Credit claimants (without a health condition)

IB/SDA claimants (ESF funded England only)

IS claimants (ESF funded England only)

 

A 12 month prognosis will result in a mandatory referral to the Work Programme unfortunately.

 

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The rules changed December 2012, the only ESA claimants that can opt out from the Work Programme are:

 

ESA (IR) WRAG with either 18-24 month prognosis, ESA © WRAG (these two groups are voluntary at the point of referral to the WP, but become mandatory if the claimant volunteers)

 

 

The next section of groups are wholly voluntary.

 

ESA (IR) or © support group

ESA WRAG (lone parent with a youngest child under five or carers)

ESA credits only

Pension Credit claimants (without a health condition)

IB/SDA claimants (ESF funded England only)

IS claimants (ESF funded England only)

 

A 12 month prognosis will result in a mandatory referral to the Work Programme unfortunately.

 

Thanks for the correction. Nothing ever gets better, does it?

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Thanks for the correction. Nothing ever gets better, does it?

No it does not. I have posted today on another thread that I've received a 'good cause' letter from JCP because Seetec have raised a sanction doubt regarding me not attending a 'mandatory' initial WP appointment. Seetec know I have a 24 month prognosis and I have gone to great pains to outline this to them on several occasions along with a reminder that I did not volunteer for the WP.

JCP are frankly useless as well, both the ESA advisor and the advisor that deals with the WP for both JSA and ESA claimants have promised to sort this situation out twice now, without avail.

 

I'm now looking at Seetec sending regular appointment letters that I won't attend, only for them to raise a sanction doubt each time, I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 

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No it does not. I have posted today on another thread that I've received a 'good cause' letter from JCP because Seetec have raised a sanction doubt regarding me not attending a 'mandatory' initial WP appointment. Seetec know I have a 24 month prognosis and I have gone to great pains to outline this to them on several occasions along with a reminder that I did not volunteer for the WP.

JCP are frankly useless as well, both the ESA advisor and the advisor that deals with the WP for both JSA and ESA claimants have promised to sort this situation out twice now, without avail.

 

I'm now looking at Seetec sending regular appointment letters that I won't attend, only for them to raise a sanction doubt each time, I'm banging my head against a brick wall here.

 

I am not with Seetec and only have a 12 month placement in WRAG so I know I have to attend but all of these WP believe they make the rules.

 

I had a badly worded letter from them which I rang the DWP to get some clarification on.

The WP had made it read as if they were responsible for me still being allowed to claim ESA under the WRAG stipulations.

They had even highlighted that part of the letter - scare tactics maybe.

 

Bottom line (as I already knew) no they are not - they can propose sanctions - but not as they were trying to make out.

I have been with my WP 6 weeks and have a list of complaints already.

It worrying, and it is banging head against a brick wall.

If we continue to make waves, they do have the authority to make life really painful for us.

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If we continue to make waves, they do have the authority to make life really painful for us.

And vice versa, I'm not about to fall over faced with Seetec's shenanigans. They are being vindictive in my case because I'm escalating a serious complaint against the manager via my MP and not using their own complaints procedure which I know will go nowhere. The manager got one of his subordinates to phone me and ask if I would attend their offices for a face-to-face apology which I declined.

I've also sent off a subject access request to the DWP for all clerical and digital records pertaining to my ESA case file, I believe Seetec were aware of my voluntary status from the initial introductory interview because they have access to JCP's records.

 

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what is still an unknown as well if someone has a 18 month prognosis, are they treated the same as 12 month prognosis after 6 months or do they get the waiver for the entire 18 months? if the latter then those with 12 month prognosis would be right to feel hard done by.

 

I am on contribution based so that was probably a big factor I didnt get reffered.

 

Lilly it would be really great if you could say what your work programe has been like since you got moved to it, to help others what to prepare for.

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what is still an unknown as well if someone has a 18 month prognosis, are they treated the same as 12 month prognosis after 6 months or do they get the waiver for the entire 18 months? if the latter then those with 12 month prognosis would be right to feel hard done by.

 

I am on contribution based so that was probably a big factor I didnt get reffered.

 

Lilly it would be really great if you could say what your work programe has been like since you got moved to it, to help others what to prepare for.

18-24 months get the waiver for the full prognosis time, however I don't expect that particular concession to last much longer. December seems to be the month of change for the DWP, so I expect a raft of new conditionality to be rolled out within a week or so.

The agenda is to get anyone not in support group signing on for JSA, (in the case of mandatory revision before appeal) and force the rest onto the Work Programme. Either way, it's a no win for ESA claimants.

 

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18-24 months get the waiver for the full prognosis time, however I don't expect that particular concession to last much longer. December seems to be the month of change for the DWP, so I expect a raft of new conditionality to be rolled out within a week or so.

The agenda is to get anyone not in support group signing on for JSA, (in the case of mandatory revision before appeal) and force the rest onto the Work Programme. Either way, it's a no win for ESA claimants.

 

Do you think the scraping of WRAG will come into force soon.

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Do you think the scraping of WRAG will come into force soon.

IDS would dearly love to do it and if the government can get away with it they no doubt will. However it's just hot air at the moment and I cant see anything moving on this for a good while yet.

 

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what is still an unknown as well if someone has a 18 month prognosis, are they treated the same as 12 month prognosis after 6 months or do they get the waiver for the entire 18 months? if the latter then those with 12 month prognosis would be right to feel hard done by.

 

I am on contribution based so that was probably a big factor I didnt get reffered.

 

Lilly it would be really great if you could say what your work programe has been like since you got moved to it, to help others what to prepare for.

 

Basically all I can say about the work programme so far, is that they take NO notice of you being ill.

As far as they are concerned - you are not ill.

I have NO trust in my WP at all.

As I am less than 6 weeks into the programme, I see a lot of stress and added mental suffering over the next 2 years.

They have no idea how to treat people who suffer from MH problems.

I have already been told that some people on JSA need a kick up the backside

People on ESA have no one pushing them to find work, so they lack motivation.

Think that say's it all really.

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Basically all I can say about the work programme so far, is that they take NO notice of you being ill.

As far as they are concerned - you are not ill.

I have NO trust in my WP at all.

As I am less than 6 weeks into the programme, I see a lot of stress and added mental suffering over the next 2 years.

They have no idea how to treat people who suffer from MH problems.

I have already been told that some people on JSA need a kick up the backside

People on ESA have no one pushing them to find work, so they lack motivation.

Think that say's it all really.

 

Yep, that's the mantra. The WP providers are still blinkered by pound note signs at the moment, once the realisation that getting ESA claimants into work ain't gonna be a walk in the park, the novelty will wear off and I reckon most will get parked for the duration with the occasional dust down for a money spinning CV course or two, then it's back in the broom cupboard.

 

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