PCN Wimbledon Village

[Michael Browne]

So even if you live hundreds of miles away, you have to apply to PATAS and go down to London? I would be surprised if that is the case, but I don't know.

PATAS deal with appeals for contraventions in all London boroughs regardless where the driver lives. The alternative to travelling to Islington for a personal hearing is to opt for a postal hearing.

[unimatrix1066]

hi

did not mention the building number as i had already posted the letter.

the cctv was a camera held by someone in a car behind me in the passengers seat by the look of the photos.

I will read the form to see if you can appeal by post otherwise i might aswell pay it as i am not going to London = cost of fuel , parking etc

[Desperate Daniella]

PATAS deal with appeals for contraventions in all London boroughs regardless where the driver lives. The alternative to travelling to Islington for a personal hearing is to opt for a postal hearing.

 

That is appalling.

[unimatrix1066]

next time ill open the boot up so you cannot see the reg:roll:

[Michael Browne]

That is appalling.

Why? What's wrong with a postal hearing?

[Desperate Daniella]

Being bl***y awkward as I am (and I have done this kind of thing before successfully) I would write back yet again and say that I do intend to appeal to PATAS and I would like the CCTV footage, and I would also like them to explain to me how I am supposed to check parking restrictions on a post on the side of the road without stopping. Are they suggesting I should drive my car without looking forward and looking to the side? I would say that surely this would be a dangerous way to drive. Are they saying that this is the correct way to check parking signs? Tell them their response will be included in the appeal to PATAS.

 

This might not be the way you are supposed to do it, I appreciate. I am only saying what has worked for me by which I mean continuing to argue even when they've told me I can't.

[Desperate Daniella]

Why? What's wrong with a postal hearing?

 

Because you have a better chance to explain yourself if you can appear personally, and the cost of travel will probably put people off.

 

If they have any questions you are there to answer them at a personal hearing. I doubt if they go into extended correspondence on small points if you aren't there.

[unimatrix1066]

i ve read the appeal paper work , you can appeal by post but the reduced amount is lost and you will have to pay the full amount 110.00

[Michael Browne]

i ve read the appeal paper work , you can appeal by post but the reduced amount is lost and you will have to pay the full amount 110.00

Yes, if you appeal to PATAS, you are liable for the full penalty, assuming your appeal is refused.

[unimatrix1066]

just been looking into the use of cameras for enforcement, they should only be used if its not practical to use wardens.

this was a high st area with wardens present as i saw them when i found a valid bay to park in around the corner.

Also it says that signs should be displayed indicating the use of cameras , not sure if there was any, does anyone live around the wimbledon area and know if there is signage on the village high st

[green_and_mean]

You can stop to read the signs but the Council are not going to tell you that which is another reason to contest the PCN at PATAS the fact that they have put the wrong location only adds to your appeal. I would also add the camera evidence is defective as it has two times on it the tenths of a second is different making the evidence unreliable.

 

[unimatrix1066]

yes i noticed that, i think i need to attach a letter to it as the forms not very big

[Michael Browne]

The location is given as just High Street. Which High St in Merton do they mean?

[green_and_mean]

The location is given as just High Street. Which High St in Merton do they mean?

 

There is only 1

[green_and_mean]

Did you get a formal notice of rejection with PATAS forms, what was your grounds of appeal, what was their rejection?

[Michael Browne]

There is only 1

Bu**er, thought there's bound to be more than one.

[green_and_mean]

Bu**er, thought there's bound to be more than one.

 

There is plenty here to get a cancellation, I've won far worse!

[unimatrix1066]

This is Wimbledon village, I appealed on the basis you need to get out of the vehicle first to see the signs, I am in the drivers seat in the pictures.

They rejected it saying its the vehicle they are intrested in and not the driver which they did not see come out

[green_and_mean]

Can you post a copy or type it out the actual text is more important than a potted summary.

[Desperate Daniella]

There is only 1

 

But you weren't in the High Street in Merton, you were in Wimbledon High Street in the Borough of Merton.

[Desperate Daniella]

This is Wimbledon village, I appealed on the basis you need to get out of the vehicle first to see the signs, I am in the drivers seat in the pictures.

They rejected it saying its the vehicle they are intrested in and not the driver which they did not see come out

 

They didn't see you come out because they, apparently, only filmed you for two minutes or less because the parking ticket only refers to parking there for two minutes.

[unimatrix1066]

Hi

I will scan the doc tonight, there is lots of discripences in there evidence, I will appeal it as I do not agree with there actions

[Desperate Daniella]

I will go and check out Wimbledon for you but I just cannot get there before Monday. Hope you can hang on until then.

[unimatrix1066]

hi

yes if you could check as its another thing to add

 

so far my objections are:-

1) time index on screen does not match picture

2) The Secretary of State recommends that approved devices are used only where

enforcement is difficult or sensitive and CEO enforcement is not practical. CCTV

should therefore only be used :

• In areas of low compliance

• For situations impractical to serve a PCN on foot eg. No stopping restrictions

• In areas patrolling on foot may endanger the H&S of staff in this case a warden should only be used

3)CCTV should only be used when a regulation 9 PCN cannot be safely or practically

served, not out of convenience.

CCTV must NOT be used in permit or Pay and Display bays

where i had stopped these were pay and display bays all be it only at certain times of the day

4) location is wrong , shop number and general discription

5) my main point once i had got out and read the pay and display sign i moved,if a warden had approached they would ask you to move as per there guidlines

Edited June 11, 2013 by unimatrix1066
extra info the pictures also show a sign as required by there guidlines stating the parking hours, this cannot be read in the

[unimatrix1066]

also the sign has been pictured but cannot be read, in there guidance a picture should be taken of this