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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hello,

Well I really dislike Paypal, awful customer service, random money holds,

closing accounts for no reason, confiscating money for 180 days, and I could go on.

 

They seem above the law, but this really annoys me, I am essentially being told I have no right to ever leave pay-pal, So I will forever be bound to their agreements, however they are changed.

 

They have sent me their updated terms, which basically add even more powers to Paypal, including sharing information with everyone on the planet. so it says if you do not agree with these terms, close your account..

 

So I go to do this, and I am told due to my limitation (which was for no valid reason, but that is another story) I cannot close my account until I have fully restored my account access... but paypal make it clear they will never restore my account.

This can't be legal? Surely consumers should always have the right to close an account, and to refuse to accept new terms. there are also no ebay sales or any transactions that could be reversed or pose any risk in that sense.

 

This must be illegal and abuse of a loophole on so many levels? ... instead of closing an account they put it into indefinate limited access. what can be done?

To add insult to injury, they won't even let me ask on the official forum,

since they have limited the account. Talk about suppressing peoples freedom. Really hope these cowboys are held to account,

 

So annoyed with what they get away with, CAG should not use them to accept donations on principle of what they do to people (look it up online literally millions have been conned) there should also be a webwallet section. Thanks

 

https://cms.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/?&cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/upcoming_policies_full

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have you been money laundering? If so they cannot release your funds. Ask CIFAS if you have any flags on your name, address or accounts and explain the problem. If they are involved they should be able to correct any errors. If still nothing then look up their UK registered address and write to them citing breach of contract and give them time to release you funds to your bank account without penalty. If they dont oblige then report them to the FSA.

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Hi, money laundering? no,There are no flags on my name. don't quite see how that fits in with anything?. Thanks for the reply though.

 

To be clear, I don't have any funds in pay-pal, and there was no reason for my limitation,no pending or recent transactions, no charge-backs, no complaints, just the standard copy and paste email, if they done it due to the fact I have deposited to a casino before,therefore they decided I am a "risk", or , I have no clue.

 

I would suggest anyone that finds that surprising investigate paypal online. Sadly many think those who are limited must of done something wrong, I thought that myself until it happened, it's then that you uncover the truth of how they operate.

 

Anyway, that is another issue, I do not wish to be a PayPal member, To be honest I don't care about the new terms, What I do care about is I have the right not to agree to these terms, and as stated in the email about their updated legal agreements, If I do not agree to the terms, I must close my account.

 

So my issue here is, it seems they are abusing the law by putting accounts into permanent limitation mode, removing the ability to close your account, and therefore your ability to not accept any agreements they come out with, and be assumed to accept them by the fact you have not closed your account...however it is not possible to close your account... this cannot be legal?. they could come out with an agreement saying anything they like, then claim it was agreed to because I did not close my account.

 

Thanks for the info though, from what I understand PayPal moved to Luxembourg to avoid being under fsa rules, I am not sure on that. Again, there are no recent transactions, and no funds on hold, or any other reason for keeping the account open, and paypal do not even claim there is an issue here.

 

We really need to establish how PayPal don't have to follow any rules? if this was a bank there would be hundreds of people bringing up legal issues and letters to send, is it just that they really are above the law?.It is the consumer action group, reclaim the right and all that, seems to not apply to PayPal.

 

I appreciate anyone that can bring back my faith in being able to have some rights as a consumer with giant corporations like this.

 

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Those emails about account limitations and holding onto funds? Are you sure they're not phishing emails. I get them frequently with an attachment to update my account - but it's not Paypal that has sent them. They look official but are from fraudsters

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I totally sympathise, I have first hand experience of the monstrous behaviour of both Paypal and eBay when I was running an eBay business. In end I closed it because I realised that I could never rely on eBay or Paypal not to act unreasonably. What you have to realise is that neither company chooses to provide proper customer service because of the sheer number of users which would weigh down their margins. Instead they rely almost completely on computer algorithms to identify risk, and they amputate that risk just as automatically. The problem with this approach is there is no human reasoning in the loop, and their algorithms are frequently wrong.

 

Examples of this are:

a) Holding on to money because you are selling goods with a statistically higher chance of fraud/counterfeiting.

b) Permanently freezing accounts because you are logging in using an IP address that has been linked to someone elses bad account (Thats a nightmare to get removed).

c) Freezing seller accounts because you are withdrawing your money 'too often'!!!

 

The list goes on, it's all extremely inaccurate, unfair, unreasonable and VERY VERY difficult to correct, all of which led me to conclusion that basing a business model on eBay/Paypal was a mistake. I've walked away, but like you have several 'accounts' with ebay/paypal that I neither want or can close.

 

I should add that technically the accounts are meaningless, because I formed a limited company for them, which I have subsequently dissolved. eBay/Paypal will still try and treat them as personal accounts, but there is no basis in the T&C's or law for that, so you can safely ignore them if you have done the same.

 

I've posted on this issue in the past: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?349102-Are-eBay-Paypal-acting-within-the-law&p=3824527#post3824527

 

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Thanks for the replies, no they are not phishing emails.

 

Sounds familiar Howardb,

 

Yes it must of been one of those automated systems, my friend also got his account limited as he logged in while at my house, so linked the accounts, Completely disgusting. Also they fail to allow anyone who is limited to go on the paypal help forum to ask questions under the limitations section! very clever way of stopping anyone speaking out about their treatment.

 

In relation to agreements, there must be a legal issue here, they clearly have to send the email telling members they are updating

their terms, and they can close their account if they do not agree. so considering this, how can they get away with limiting accounts

forever rather than closing, therefore taking the ability to disagree with their terms?.

 

sounds like they are abusing the rules here, I will have to do some more investigation and find the relevant laws here,

I did think someone on cag would know which laws are relevant here, but seems when it comes to paypal no one is quite sure.

 

They do have a lot of personal information, and as their agreements contain an ever increasing number of people they can send my bank and other details to - I must have the right to not remain a member forever.

 

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I have had great help from paypal when being scammed etc. into paying what looked like good deals and they have held of paying the seller until goods recieved or not. all done on the phone and have refunded the money in a few days.

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