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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi i donr the report thing but want you to check it before i send it off to sutton Date and NL Number Hidden

 

IntroductionI, Chrisw am appealing against the decision made in 2011 to decline the award of Employment and Support Allowance on the grounds that I have not attained 15 points from the combined Physical and Mental Health descriptors following my Work Capability Assessment.

 

When scoring the Personal Capability Assessment/Work Capabilities Assessment I feel that both the Medical Services doctor and Decision Maker have over-estimated my level of ability. By revising the Score card to take account of my actual Physical and Mental Health conditions, I am of the view that I satisfy the threshold of 15 points required for the award.I believe and I will demonstrate below that by scoring the descriptors relevant to my condition correctly that I do attain the required threshold of 15 points.

 

On the physical part of ESA I told the doctor at atos that I suffer from scoliosis and suffer low chronic back pain as a result I’m on medication for this.

 

When I Walk I get lower chronic back pain in my spine I sometimes get pain at the top of my neck.In my Physical Terms I should have been awarded 18 points

 

Mobilise more than 200 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. (6) – This is due to my scoliosis which causes low chronic back pain. When I walk I always have to stop to rest for about 5 to 10 seconds before starting to rewalk.

 

Sitting (even in an adjustable chair) for more than an hour before needing to move away in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. (6) - This is due to my scoliosis which causes low chronic back pain when I sit I always have to move or readjust or get up to avoid some significant discomfort

 

Has some difficulty conveying a simple message to strangers. – Due to my social anxiety I find it very hard to ask for directions or any thing from a person I do not know and I tend to talk very quite or my voice goes On my mental heath terms I should have been awarded 12 points

 

Engagement in social contact with someone unfamiliar to the claimant is not possible for the majority of the time due to difficulty relating to others or significant distress experienced by the individual. (6) – This due to my social anxiety in social situations I find it very hard to communicate and have difficulty relating to others

 

Cannot cope with minor unplanned change (such as the timing of an appointment on the day it is due to occur), to the extent that overall, day to day life is made significantly more difficult. (6) – If something in the day changes I tend to get very stressed or if something has happened that can upset me I can get suicidal thoughts but theses tend to go after about a hour. As in my report to the doctors I have felt thoughts of suicide .

 

Is unable to get to a specified place with which the claimant is unfamiliar without being accompanied by another person. (6) – If I go to a area which I’m unfamiliar with I tend to get stressed out as if I get lost I fell very nervous to ask people for directions and I find it hard to communicate with people I don’t know. That’s way if I go to a place I don’t know I always take a family member or friend if I can to help me get around

 

In Overall I should have been awarded with 36 points which I hope that the Tribunal will support my appeal and that the Tribunal will authorise the re-instatement of my award.

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Hello again.

 

I've taken your full name off your submission, just in case. I think you've done well so far, good for you.

 

I've only ever submitted one of these and it was a while back, so I hope others here will comment for you. I would say you could expand on the effects that your physical symptoms have on you which prevent you from working/leading a normal life.

 

I'll put some paragraphs in for you here, but please make sure that the version you send in has some spaces in it rather than being a block of text. You want to make it easy for the panel to see your case and help you.

 

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I have put some spacing into your post to make it easier for others to read :)

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Thanks i tried that but when i pressed enter and spreated it it kept going back together

 

This is something being experienced by others as well - very frustrating :) You have up to 24 hours to edit a post so if this happens again, what you can do is to go back into the post and add more than one carriage return in order to get the spacing.

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STATEMENT ABOUT MY LIFEI was advised to put a statement in to get help for my AppealThe reason why I’m appealing this is because the conditions I have which are scoliosis which includes Neurofibtomotus, Pectus cartimum which is a rib or chest bone which sticks out of my chest. This also includes my mental heath which is depression, anxiety. my mental heath affects me quite a lot I tend to avoid people I don’t know as I think they going to judge me, say something bad about me or even try to hurt me and in social situations even with friends and family I tend to shy away and try not to get notice. I find it very stressful if I’m in a area which is crowded or wheres theres to many people. When I’m in this situlation I fell which is very intense I tend to get very sweaty, nervos and try to get not get notice by sitting down and not saying anything its like a blank stare. With my depression this is from my teenage years which I’m currently on the waiting list for counselling and CBT. I have also been referred to neurology assessment for my mental heath by my doctor who thinks I may have Borderline personality issues or it could be a result of my neurofibtomotus In terms of my physical heath I have serve scolosis which does cause me a lot of trouble. When I walk I’m always stopping every couple of minutes as of the serve discomfort I get in my spine, shoulder blades and sometimes neck. When I carry a small amount of shopping I have to keep putting the bag down and rest for about 10 – 15 seconds. The pain is worse when I carry stuff as I get pain all over till I put the bag down and rest for a little bit. In terms of movement I have various problems of movement sometimes I can fell very stiff and when I sit down I’m always moving or sitting awkwardly to avoid pain in my back.I’m currently taking 4 – 5 Painkillers which are 500MG parcetmol and 15MG codipar and 20MG citoprame which is a aintidepressant

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I think I may have done that too, CB. :(

 

:lol: I wondered what was happening.. I think your spacing is much more organised and probably in the right places as well !!

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Hi Chris, here are my thoughts in red, as I feel there is more that could be added. See what you think.

 

Hi i donr the report thing but want you to check it before i send it off to sutton Date and NL Number Hidden

 

IntroductionI, Chrisw am appealing against the decision made in 2011 to decline the award of Employment and Support Allowance on the grounds that I have not attained 15 points from the combined Physical and Mental Health descriptors following my Work Capability Assessment.

 

When scoring the Personal Capability Assessment/Work Capabilities Assessment I feel that both the Medical Services doctor and Decision Maker have over-estimated my level of ability. Can you add any detail to the things you think were wrong on the WCA - for instance did they state you could do things which you can't do? Did they misrepresent anything you said? Was anything on the report just plain wrong? You need to cast doubt on the WCA you went through by pointing out their specific errors.

 

By revising the Score card to take account of my actual Physical and Mental Health conditions, I am of the view that I satisfy the threshold of 15 points required for the award.I believe and I will demonstrate below that by scoring the descriptors relevant to my condition correctly that I do attain the required threshold of 15 points.

 

On the physical part of ESA I told the doctor at atos that I suffer from scoliosis and suffer low chronic back pain as a result I’m on medication for this. You need to mention all your physical problems - for instance another post mentioned 'pectus carinatum'.

 

When I Walk I get lower chronic back pain in my spine I sometimes get pain at the top of my neck.In my Physical Terms I should have been awarded 18 points

 

Mobilise more than 200 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. (6) – This is due to my scoliosis which causes low chronic back pain. When I walk I always have to stop to rest for about 5 to 10 seconds before starting to rewalk. I think you need to change this slightly - how far do you walk before you stop? Is it 200 metres and then you carry on another 200metres, or do you stop every 50 metres for 5-10 seconds. What does this walking limitation stop you from doing - for instance, are there places you can't get to without transport - the local bus stop, a shop etc. Here I would also refer to the WCA report which stated you could walk 40 metres - and point out that the ability to walk 40 metres does not indicate an ability to walk 200, it also does not refer to the amount of pain you suffer while walking.

 

Sitting (even in an adjustable chair) for more than an hour before needing to move away in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. (6) - This is due to my scoliosis which causes low chronic back pain when I sit I always have to move or readjust or get up to avoid some significant discomfort. What sort of things does not being able to sit for more than an hour affect for you, for instance travelling? What evidence was given on the WCA report to not score you points for this? You mentioned you waited several hours for your assessment - did you sit still the whole time you were waiting, or did you have to keep getting up and moving about - if you did then mention this. Also best to be specific about whether you need to move around in the chair (scores no points) or would have to get up and move away from the chair (scores 6 points)

 

Has some difficulty conveying a simple message to strangers. – Due to my social anxiety I find it very hard to ask for directions or any thing from a person I do not know and I tend to talk very quite or my voice goes I don't think this part is relevant as the descriptor only applies to physical health issues.

 

On my mental heath terms I should have been awarded 12 points. I think you meant 18 points. Also what are your mental health problems, how long have they lasted.

 

Engagement in social contact with someone unfamiliar to the claimant is not possible for the majority of the time due to difficulty relating to others or significant distress experienced by the individual. (6) – This due to my social anxiety in social situations I find it very hard to communicate and have difficulty relating to others. It's best to put a bit more here - what social contact do you avoid? Do you see friends or family? What would happen if they were to bring someone you didn't know to the get together (as an example, when my husband was told his brother was bringing a friend to a family dinner at his parents, he freaked out and insisted we leave immediately). How do you cope with contact with workers in shops, or if someone started a conversation on the bus? Do you avoid certain situations in order to prevent social contact? Do you only see friends when you know no one unfamiliar will be there (for instance do you avoid pubs, clubs, bowling, cinema etc) Be specific about what your difficulties with social interaction stop you from doing. What evidence was on the WCA report for this descriptor - did they even ask the right questions - if not, mention this.

 

Cannot cope with minor unplanned change (such as the timing of an appointment on the day it is due to occur), to the extent that overall, day to day life is made significantly more difficult. (6) – If something in the day changes I tend to get very stressed or if something has happened that can upset me I can get suicidal thoughts but theses tend to go after about a hour. As in my report to the doctors I have felt thoughts of suicide . What would happen if someone changed an appointment time on the day - would you go or would you cancel? Can people pop round to your house without making prior arrangements, or do they have to arrange in advance. How did having to wait at your WCA affect you? Again what evidence was used on the report to not score you points for this, and why were they wrong?

 

Is unable to get to a specified place with which the claimant is unfamiliar without being accompanied by another person. (6) – If I go to a area which I’m unfamiliar with I tend to get stressed out as if I get lost I fell very nervous to ask people for directions and I find it hard to communicate with people I don’t know. That’s way if I go to a place I don’t know I always take a family member or friend if I can to help me get around . Are you taking someone with you to the tribunal, and did you take someone with you to the ATOS assessment? If so point this out. Also explain any other examples of unfamilar places you have had to be accompanied to - also what happens if not accompanied? Do you just not go? If you are not going to be accompanied to tribunal or were not accompanied to the ATOS assessment then this descriptor will be a non starter. Again what evidence was in the WCA report for this descriptor and why were they wrong.

 

Also you may want to refer to the medical evidence you are providing and in what way it supports the descriptors - linking the medical evidence to the descriptors is always a good idea.

 

In Overall I should have been awarded with 36 points (30 points) which I hope that the Tribunal will support my appeal and that the Tribunal will authorise the re-instatement of my award.

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IntroductionI, Chrisw am appealing against the decision made in 2011 to decline the award of Employment and Support Allowance on the grounds that I have not attained 15 points from the combined Physical and Mental Health descriptors following my Work Capability Assessment.

 

When scoring the Personal Capability Assessment/Work Capabilities Assessment I feel that both the Medical Services doctor and Decision Maker have over-estimated my level of ability.

 

The medical doctor at the centre saw me for 10 minutes I think the whole WCA was misrepresented I explained to the doctor that I have serve chest and spinal problems in which he told me that I should be getting that sorted as it could cause problems.

 

By revising the Score card to take account of my actual Physical and Mental Health conditions, I am of the view that I satisfy the threshold of 15 points required for the award.I believe and I will demonstrate below that by scoring the descriptors relevant to my condition correctly that I do attain the required threshold of 15 points.

 

On the physical part of ESA I told the doctor at atos that I suffer from scoliosis, pectus carinatum in which I suffer low chronic back pain as a result I’m on medication for this.

 

I also suffer from social anxiety and depression in which is now being referred to a neurologist for further examination.

 

When I Walk I get lower chronic back pain in my spine I sometimes get pain at the top of my neck. In my Physical Terms I should have been awarded 18 points Mobilise more than 200 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. (6) – This is due to my scoliosis which causes low chronic back pain.

 

When I walk I always have to stop after about 100 meters to rest for about 5 to 10 seconds before starting to re walk. The walking does stop me from doing a lot of things for example if I had no transport I would not be able to get any essentials, when I walk up stairs I tend to stop halfway to let the pain go down and then I will walk up the rest of the stairs

 

Sitting (even in an adjustable chair) for more than an hour before needing to move away in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. (6) - This is due to my scoliosis which causes low chronic back pain when I sit I always have to move or readjust or get up and have to get up and move to avoid some significant discomfort.

 

During my assessment I waited quite some time after my appointment I had to get up and move several times in order not to fell discomfort

 

Has some difficulty conveying a simple message to strangers. – Due to my social anxiety I find it very hard to ask for directions or any thing from a person I do not know and I tend to talk very quite or my voice On my mental heath terms I should have been awarded 18 points

 

Engagement in social contact with someone unfamiliar to the claimant is not possible for the majority of the time due to difficulty relating to others or significant distress experienced by the individual. (6) – This due to my social anxiety in social situations I find it very hard to communicate and have difficulty relating to others. I Avoid most social contact even with friends and family. If someone I did not know met me I would fell very insecure and would try to get away from this person. I find it very hard to communicate with people I tend to avoid gatherings and if I see someone I know with someone I don’t I tend to shy away, avoid eye contact and try and keep myself unnoticed.

 

I avoid busy areas such as social gatherings which included pubs, bars and busy shopping areas as I fell very insecure and very nervous in that area.

 

Cannot cope with minor unplanned change (such as the timing of an appointment on the day it is due to occur), to the extent that overall, day to day life is made significantly more difficult. (6) – If something in the day changes I tend to get very stressed or if something has happened that can upset me I can get suicidal thoughts but theses tend to go after about a hour.

 

As in my report to the doctors I have felt thoughts of suicide. In otherways I can get very nervos for example if I not expecting someone to come and visit me and they knock on the door I would get paranoid and avoid opening the door or tend to stay in my room so they cant see me. Everyone who visits me know to ring me in advance to let me know.

 

I fell the doctor was wrong as he does not know how I act outside a clinic. Having to wait for the WCA did get me very edgy. I did not know what to do and was afaid to ask whats happening and why was it taking so long.

 

Is unable to get to a specified place with which the claimant is unfamiliar without being accompanied by another person. (6) – If I go to a area which I’m unfamiliar with I tend to get stressed out as if I get lost I fell very nervous to ask people for directions and I find it hard to communicate with people I don’t know. That’s way if I go to a place I don’t know I try take a family member or friend if I can to help me get around. I I know the area I would be ok but very cautious.

 

But if I don’t know the area I will be trying to ask as many people as I can to help me if I cant get anyone I will attempt to go but half way there I would turn back to avoid it.

 

Are you taking someone with you to the tribunal, and did you take someone with you to the ATOS assessment? If so point this out. Also explain any other examples of unfamiliar places you have had to be accompanied to - also what happens if not accompanied? Do you just not go?

 

If you are not going to be accompanied to tribunal or were not accompanied to the ATOS assessment then this descriptor will be a non starter. Again what evidence was in the WCA report for this descriptor and why were they wrong.

 

In Overall I should have been awarded with 36 points or 30 points which I hope that the Tribunal will support my appeal and that the Tribunal will authorise the re-instatement of my award.

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Hi Chris. I don't know if I'm the only one who can't follow blocks of text.

 

I'm sorry to nag, is there any chance you able to put in some paragraphs in please? At the bottom of your post, in the grey strip, it says in black Edit Post with what looks like a pencil on the left of it.

 

HB

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Hi Chris, I was in a similar situation as you. I went to the tribunal last Friday and the tribunal allowed my appeal in favor of me. Reading your threads it looks like you should be ok. My form wasn't very good, went to lawyer he wouldn't take my case on he said I have no chance of winning. I booked an appointment with welfare right adviser, he said the same thing. All i had was the doctors letters briefly explaining my illness, wrote one letter my behalf to the tribunal and took my son with me.

Sorry I have to go now if you have any questions ill answer them later, good luck.

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I have serval letters all from old and new doctors I read them on here for you lot

 

KCA - Saying I have High Levels of anxiety and depression along with serve levels of psyschological distress

 

Oxleas - sucidle at times and social anxiety and depression.

 

NHS - scolosis of 40C Plus and pectus carinatum

 

4 x Rays of spinal cord

 

Doctor - suffers from low chronic back pain and under investigation for paranoid and avoidance personality disorder awaiting counselling

 

Doctor - has spine problems has pectus carinatum revealed. Can't carry or lift anything weighty, has a lot of phsyical problems in terms of movement

 

Has low mentality

 

Sum random days when I've written down how I fell and any throughts of suicide.

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I kept my letter to the tribunal short and straight forward and didn't write how many points i should get, let the panel decide. I read your letter it seems to me very long and detailed but I am not an expert in writing letters. If you have doctors letters, the panel will be interested in them and they will ask you a few questions you need to answer them briefly and make your point clear. Previously my experience shows that if you write a very long letter, all of it doesn't get read. I took all my medicine and the doctor listed on his letter too, if you read my thread there i had some very good replies, its under the heading (Job Center Making My Health Worse)

all above is just my opinion and i am not an expert in this matter, at the end of the day its your own decision.

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