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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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Hi... Sorry didnt mean images but if u look at my first post it details my CCA request in 2010 and RW response. Like i said i did the CCA in 2010 do i have to do this again. Thanks in advance :)

 

Hi Lisa, as I said before, you need to clarify what the 'credit agreement' is, how else are you going to defend otherwise?

 

If no-one has produced one yet they are in default of your S77/78 request and if it ends up in court, what are they going to produce to show the judge that they are entitled to demand this money?

 

I see Andy's around now, he's the expert, have a read of some other similar threads but remember you have time limits now so you need to gather as much info to prepare a defence if that's what you intend to do.

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Hi all... I am posting the CPR 31.14 tomorrow morning by recorded delivery. I spoke with a solicitor today and all seems good. Giving RW till 22nd October based on the CPR so lets see what they come back with. Thanks again all

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UPDATE:

 

Received letter today from Horwich Solic. dated 17th Oct

 

Basically they have referred our letter to their client who will endeavour to comply with our request but "must point out that they are reliant upon the original creditor, HFC Bank, to produce the documentation and trust you will bear with us whilst they undertake the search for the documents".

 

... I am a bit worried as they have not stipulated a date. Any advice please as what am I supposed to give to the courts

 

That is all they have put in the letter, nothing else !!

 

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So Robinson's have issued a claim without having the paperwork/agreement on which they will rely on TUT TUT!!!

 

They will not stipulate any dates and rely on your 'ignorance' not to submit a defence and end up getting a default judgement, this is how they work I'm afraid, so you will need to submit a defence on the basis of not knowing what they are claiming for, that will ensure that you do not get a ccj against you.

 

The alternative is to ask for an extension, which will give you an extra 28 days to submit (on top of the initial 28 days) but you will need written confirmation from the claimant that they agree and this will have to be submitted to the court.

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Hi... many thanks for your response. So when is it best to file the defence. Should I wait, send them another letter asking them to write to the court asking for an extension so they can get the credit agreement. Then wait. Then about a couple of days before my time is up file my defence. Is my defence to just state that they have not provided a true copy or original of a credit agreement related to the particulars in this claim. Is that all I would need to put.

 

Many thanks... Lisa

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http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?349319-Claim-issued-MKDP-barclaycard-will-need-some-help-please!&p=3841988&viewfull=1#post3841988

 

Here is the defence I used Lisa, of course it needs to be adapted to your circumstances but it gives you a basis to work from, it's not my own work though, I found it from another thread I think it may be Andyorch's original work!

 

I don't think it matters when you submit your defence as long as it is done in time.

 

As far as asking for an extension, that is up to you, I think it prolongs the stress myself, if they haven't got the paperwork now it's unlikely that they'll produce anything after another month!

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Hiya

 

Many thanks for this... I have prepared my defence based on what you have put and also added the CPR 31.14 and their response.

 

Do you happen to know if I can enter the defence online at moneyclaim as I am having problems. I originally did the acknowledgement online for both me and hubby but I cannot remember getting any gateway id's and when I enter the claim numbers and passwords from the pack again they don't recognise them

 

Even though I did the acknowledgement online can I still do the defence in post as cannot seem to get in online.

 

Thanks

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Hi Lisa yes you should be able to submit it online in the same way as doing your AOS, but if your password isn't working then you may need to speak to the court or you can ask for it to be re-sent to your email I think.

 

I would advise that you post your defence up here without any identifying details, then hopefully Andyorch can have a look before you submit it.

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Ok... thanks for the quick reply... here is the defence with private stuff taken out:

 

In the Northampton (CCBC) County Court

Claim number xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Between

RW = Claimant

and

xxxxxxxx - Defendant

DEFENCE

1. I, xxxxxxxxxxxxx of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, am thedefendant in this action and make the following statement as my defence to theclaim made by RW, the Claimant.

2. Except where otherwise mentioned in this defence, I neither admitnor deny any allegation made in the claimants Particulars of Claim and put theclaimant to strict proof thereof.

3. The claimants Particulars of Claim are vague and fail to discloseany cause of action, they appear to be an abuse of the process in that theyfail to deal with the basic rules of pleading in accordance with the civilprocedure rules. (Even allowing for the constraints of the bulk issue system.)

4. No documents supporting the claim in the particulars have been offerednor have any dates of agreement been stated which the Defendant needs to establishwhat agreement it is that this action is based upon and so the claimant's claimappears without merit.

5. On receipt of the claim form I, the Defendant, sent a CPR 31.14Request (dated and sent on the xxxxxxxxxxxx) for a copy of theagreement and any other supporting documents mentioned in the Particulars ofClaim.

6. I received a letter dated xxxxxxxxxxxxx from theclaimants’ solicitors, xxxxxxxxxxx : “Further to your letter dated xxxxxx ...... [ in here I put what the letter said]”

7. As a result, the claim as pleaded does not contain sufficientparticulars to permit me to file a properly particularised and pleaded defence.I am at a disadvantage to respond to this claim and to allow me to properlyrespond to the claim.

8. It is denied that I have an agreement with RW.

9. If, which is not admitted, such an agreement exists, the preciseterms and date of any such agreement are not admitted and was not availablewhen the claim was processed. I do not have in my possession any such agreementand am not therefore able to comment thereon. The Claimant is put to strictproof as to the date and terms of such agreement.

10. Without admission that any cause of action is shown by theClaimant it is denied that I am indebted to the Claimant as alleged or at all.

 

AND the Defendant

 

Seeks an order that the Claimant’saction is struck out or otherwise is dismissed onthe grounds that any claim cannot succeed.

Alternatively if the court decides notto strike out the Claimant’s case, it is requested that the court orders fulldisclosure of the requested documents pursuant to the civil procedure Rules.

The Defendant respectfully asks thepermission of the court to amend this defence if or when the Claimant providesfull disclosure of the requested documents and allows inspection of theoriginal documents.

 

Statement of Truth

I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true.

 

Signed

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Defendant

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That's what I was just thinking too!

 

I would imagine that you will need to submit two but seems strange if both claim numbers are the same, check with the court. Unless anyone else on here knows?

 

Send a PM to Andyorch and ask him to check your defence.

 

There are quite a lot of words stuck together Lisa, is that just the way it's copied over?

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Hi, yes it is just the way it is copied... sorry didnt realise until I just read it. The Word document shows OK though. I will send a PM

 

Thanks again

Lisa

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Hi Lisa responding to your PM.

 

Will run through the Defence with you tomorrow .

 

Regards

 

Andy

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Hi Lisa responding to your PM.

 

Will run through the Defence with you tomorrow .

 

Regards

 

Andy

Many thanks... I will be on my computer about 8.30pm tonight

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Hi

 

It was a good job I rang the court this morning ! I was struggling to log on last night on moneyclaim. It would not accept my details not the claim number and password of the claim form. When I did the acknowledge of service on the 9th Oct I took a PDF print of the AOS that I had done on moneyclaim... good job. I spoke to moneyclaim and they had no record of my acknowledgement of service at all. They allowed me to email them as it was proof that I had done it on the 9th. Lucky for me that RW had not noticed it had gone over... probably because of the CPR 31.14 which noted I had done the AOS.

 

All good now although my defence is now going to have to be done by email... they gave me an email address to submit my defence.

 

Hope others check that their AOS has been accepted :)

 

Just waiting for a reply on the defence I posted above to see if anything else to add.

 

Oh by the way they said need to submit two defences, one for me and one for hubby

 

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That must be one of the vaguest /shortest P.o.C I have ever seen...I think you should reciprocate

 

Defence

 

o Paragraph 1 is denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to:

 

(a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement with the Claimant; and

(b) show how the Defendant has reached the amount claimed for; and

© show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim;

 

o The claimants particulars of claim are vague and fail to disclose any cause of action, they appear to be an abuse of the process in that they fail to deal with the basic rules of pleading in accordance with the CPR even allowing for the constraints of the bulk issue system.

 

o No documents supporting the claim or what it refers to i have been offered , despite a request by CPR31.14 and a Section 78 (delete if not applicable)to the claimant for further information which is yet to be furnished.

 

 

o As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed.

 

o On the alternative, if the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

 

o Without clarification of the claimants claim, the defendant is extremely disadvantaged and the claimants claim appears without merit and spurious. By reason of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.

 

 

 

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Hi Andy

 

Thank you... I did have a giggle (first time in ages with regards to this claim) as to what you put in your first line of response and we think it is a good idea to reciprocate :)

 

I think that is great and concise what you have put. But just a couple of questions.

Should I put something in that states that I got a reply to the CPR 31.14 which discloses that they do not even have the agreement as the letter states they will have to go back to the assignee and it could take some time so we have to bear with them!

You also say with regards to Section 78 - should I do that then as that is one that I have not done. Not sure what it is but I can take a look and find out somewhere on this forum.

 

Again many thanks it is very much appreciated.

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Yes its your defence Lisa feel free to add remove, but less is more dont expand...vague..I think what i have stated covers it......responded yes..... furnished....no.

 

A section 78 is request for your Credit Agreement you pay a £1 fee and they have 12 days to comply.If they don't comply then they cant enforce whilst in default of your request.

The reason I stated sec78 is because they can ignore it in a CPR with no consequences but if they ignore a section 77 request...well as above.

Its a bit late now for you to initiate the section 78 request as you submitting your defence now.

 

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PS as you are emailing the defence you will have to add an header and a Statement of truth at the end.

 

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Hiya.. Thanks. I did a section 78 in 2009 which they eventually responded but no agreement. Cant remember what the letter said. Not to hand at moment as I am not near my computer. I will check tomorrow and post back. I had also paid the £1...

 

Yes to emailing the defence thanks

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If that was to the OC then you can still refer to it but state it was the OC and that they still remain in default...but dont expand too much retain it for later in the process.

 

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If that was to the OC then you can still refer to it but state it was the OC and that they still remain in default...but dont expand too much retain it for later in the process.

 

Andy

 

Hi... we sent the CCA on 21st April 2009 with the £1 payment to RW.Got numerous letters stating that they had requested from HFC.Then eventually on 28th March 2010 letter stating "Further to your recent request for a copy statement / agreement for your account. We have contacted the original creditor and they have advised that all relevant information has previously been sent to you and that the balance outstanding as stated above is correct. The account is now long overdue for payment and we look forward to receiving payment in full, or your payment proposals, by return"On 1st April 2010 sent letter to RW standard one of the forum about them failing to respond to my legal request.....etc etc.On 18th April 2010 RW responded "The fact that we are unable to obtain this documentation does not mean the debt does not exist or that we are not entitled to pursue you for the sums outstanding. Data will continue to be processed in line with the principles of the DP act 1998 and account will continue to be reported to credit reference agencies."Both me and hubby have access to credit experian reports and this does not showThanksLisa

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Good evening... just wanted to post confirmation that wel filed the defence this evening via email.

 

Will keep you all posted when response

 

Thanks again for those who helped me in this process... so greatly appreciated x

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