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Hello, as many people at the moment we are struggling to the point of absolute dispair financially, which has now been worsened still when I answered the door to a bailiff last week.

 

We had difficulties with council tax (Bromley), attended the council tax surgery and made an arrangement - to be fair they did say that as the case had been passed on to council bailiffs they did not know if it would be accepted but said to leave it with them to confirm which we did.

 

We got a letter on 9th July saying £1427 was required immediately, we spoke to the council who said it was passed to council bailiffs an we would hear form them in due course.

 

9th September I answered the door to the bailiff saying that he had a court order to collect the outstanding debt of £1451. We didn't know it had been to court, we didn't get the letter he says was sent after either.

 

My husband called him and offered to pay £251 immediately and £100 per month after - to be honest this would be hard but i thought they would accept it being covered. They said no, to make an arrangement the debt goes up to £1737, we have to pay £300 cash on the day we sign the contract and 5 payments of £287. There is no way we can pay £300 per month - if we had this money we would never have missed the £120 per month in the first place, and he told my husband if its missed they start to take things from the house - and we don't have anything of worth anyway!

 

This is the only bill my husband is responsible for, we have struggled with all our bills and i've rung and arranged payments and pinched peter to pay paul etc for the last year but i've not let any of the other get out of hand this far, so its fair to say right now i'm gunning for him.

 

I need any advise I can get as the bailiff is due with the paperwork on Monday morning. I understand he has to be 'invited' in and our car is in my name so hoping this is ok.

 

What is our worst case scenario and what can or can't we do - what I want to avoid is hubby agreeing to £300 per month becuase he will just go along with what he is told (instead of checking anything) which we don't have and in a months time we either owe loads more or our possessions are taken. Is there anyway of doing this with the council directly still.

 

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are both your names on the ct bill?

you need to contact the council and find out about how many liability orders, when for and for how much, car needs to be moved and DO NOT INVITE HIM IN.

My views are based on experience I would always urge you to do some further research and if in doubt seek legal advice.

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I'm sure site members or more experienced members will be along shortly, but for now (and I've been through similar this year).

 

1) Do not take anything the bailiff says as "the truth" - they have a habit of using language to suit themselves and typically to harrass you into handing over cash regardless of whether you can afford it or not

2) The bailiff so far has no other powers other than to knock on your door - he can't take anything, force his way in, put you in prison, or anything else

 

Right, regardless of your personal arrangements with your husband, you are likely to BOTH be liable for your CT, so your best bet, if you can, is to move the vehicle away from your property. It is far too easy a target for the bailiffs if it is obviously parked on your drive - they will act first and ask questions later (or wait for you to ask questions, is more to the point). If the bailiff has been unable to contact you after 2 visits, he is likely to levy against your car in a bid to make you hand over more cash than you can afford.

 

Try and avoid speaking to the bailiff (no law says you have to) just speak to the council, but if you feel the need, tell them that you are paying the council direct, that you are not refusing to pay your council tax, and that they will not gain peaceful entry.

 

Contact the council and start making payments you can afford - make them regularly. The council may tell you that you must pay through the bailiff - this is NOT the case, and the council cannot refuse to take payments. If they try, simply use their online system.

 

These are just your first steps, as I said, others will be along shortly to advise on other actions you need to take.

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Thank you for this.

 

They have't been in, they just spoke at the doorstep and said that they had a court order to collect the debt, we panicked and at first hubby agreed verbally to their payment arrangement, but the reality is we can't do it.

 

We will speak to the council on Monday morning and make the a payment to them. I will call the bailiff and advise that we are dealing directly with the council so not to come to his appointment for us to sign the papers - i'm guessing he will argue this but I will lock doors, windows and move the car. I would go out but might stay in and hide so I know whats happend.

 

I have checked some paperwork and I am absolutly certain that the £1427 is council tax for the period April 2012 to April 2013. If I pay £227 on Monday and £100 per month afterwards as I offered the bailiff, by the end of March 2013 we would only have £400 outstanding for this tax year. By then the CSA will hopefuly have got their arse into gear and we can pay it no problem - which is what we told the council when we attened their tax surgery in the first place.

 

I'm assuming that the bailiff won't just back off though in reality?

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Don't call the bailiff they lie unless you can record the call? Speak to the council remind them you attended the surgery and what was agreed

My views are based on experience I would always urge you to do some further research and if in doubt seek legal advice.

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There is an old Anglo Saxon expression that can be told to the Bailiff. I have already checked the Bailiff Register and find that Mr Blyton, Mr Grimm & Mr Anderson are not listed - hardly surprising as they seem to tell fairy stories. The Bailiff is talking bull, it doesn't matter how many times he visits providing you deny him access or prevent him making a levy on goods outside he can charge no more than £42-50 maximum in fee. If however you do let him in and he makes a levy on goods then the ball game changes. For peace of mind you may decide to play along with him and agree to his proposals but I can guarantee he will engineer a default on your payments and you will then pay handsomely for the mistake.

 

You need to speak to someone at the Council and ask the following questions:

1 - how many Liability Orders they have against you

2 - the dates they were obtained

3 - the addresses they were for

4 - the period of time each covers

5 - how much each one was for

6 - how much is still outstanding

7 - the dates they were passed on for enforcement

8 - the dates & amounts of any payments

 

You also need to send for breakdown of the fees they are charging. Here's an example of what to send, adapt as you see fit and send initially by email followed by a copy in the post.

 

"From:

My Name

My Address

 

To:

Acme Bailiff Co

Bailiff House

 

Ref: Account No: 123456

 

Dear Sir

 

With reference to the above account, Can you please provide me with a breakdown of the charges.

 

This includes:

a - the time & date of any Bailiff action that incurred a Fee.

b - the reason for the fee.

c - the name(s) of the Bailiff(s) that attended on each occasion a Fee was charged.

d - the name(s) of the Court(s) the Bailiff(s) was/were Certificated at.

e - the date of the Certification.

 

This is not a Subject Access Request under the Data Protection Act S7 1998 so does not incur a fee of £10. You are obliged to provide this information.

 

I require this information within 14 days.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Ripped off customer"

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At the moment there is only a 24.50 fee added. It only goes up if e invite them in to make an arrangement - which I now know to refuse.

 

You say to not cal the bailiff - but surely i need to let him now not to come to the appointment at 9,30 - this was the time my husband agreed to meet him to sign the paperwork.

 

Will it matter that he verbally agreed to enter an arrangement?

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At the moment there is only a 24.50 fee added. It only goes up if e invite them in to make an arrangement - which I now know to refuse.

 

You say to not cal the bailiff - but surely i need to let him now not to come to the appointment at 9,30 - this was the time my husband agreed to meet him to sign the paperwork. Seems a shame not to waste his time. By all means ring him if you can record the call.

 

Will it matter that he verbally agreed to enter an arrangement? What agreement, he must have misunderstood what was said! Play them at their own game.

 

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You need to get the info from the council re the LOs then you can see how much you owe and when from keep the house on lockdown for now you can email the councils CEO to request the info and add a bit about calling bailiff action off whilst you investigate

My views are based on experience I would always urge you to do some further research and if in doubt seek legal advice.

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i've been reading som posts - if they hve a liabiility order for council tax arrears am i right in thinking that this automatically gives them a warrant of executtion.

 

they have done one visit and given me the letter in a sealed envelope asking to contact hem, how often should i expect visits? If I never allow peaceful entry, what will happen - assuming i'm paying the council regularly too?

 

what i wan to know if ought i to expect them every day, every week or evey month i suppose?

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I am director and 100 shareholder in my company - i have stock and office equiptment at the house - can this be taken and can they break into my garage? (it is on block not part of house)

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i've been reading som posts - if they hve a liabiility order for council tax arrears am i right in thinking that this automatically gives them a warrant of executtion.

 

they have done one visit and given me the letter in a sealed envelope asking to contact hem, how often should i expect visits? If I never allow peaceful entry, what will happen - assuming i'm paying the council regularly too?

 

what i wan to know if ought i to expect them every day, every week or evey month i suppose?

 

Yes they will have a warrant of execution but as has been advised how they execute it depends on how you respond.

It will be passed back to the Council eventually if they determine they are unlikely to get anything.

You can pay online via the Councils website.However the Bailiffs still get the first bite of the cherry from payments made to cover any fees outstanding to them.

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I am director and 100 shareholder in my company - i have stock and office equiptment at the house - can this be taken and can they break into my garage? (it is on block not part of house)

 

They cant take anything in your house if you dont let them in,and keep windows and doors closed.

You should not make anything easily accessible to them.

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am really sorry to be so repetative

 

so providing i don't allow them peaceful access they can't break in and so can't take anything.

 

what happens after this though they aren't just going to go away are they? what action do they take next? wat timescales? etc sorry just stressed, as can diveert him from this week but nturally here will be consequences etc as wwe do owe the money - i don't dispute that we just really couldn't pay

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when they come on Monday, it will probably be best not to open your door as they might try and force their way in especially if they think you are pulling their chain.

As long as you keep your windows and doors locked [and the garage door]there is nothing they can do. Yes they will threaten to bring round a van, a locksmith and the police

as well as Bruce Willis and Arnold Schwarzenegger. These will all be idle threats [well they might get Bruce Willis round!] designed to put the fear of God into you and make you pay them

what they think you should pay them. just ignore them and pay the Council regularly and they will give up.That is not to say that they won't still keep posting letters through your door

telling you all sorts of scary things they intend doing. It's all bluff. and it probably won't be a bailiff at your door, but some dogsbody from their office who has no jurisdiction to be

even at your door. But it saves wasting a bailiffs ' time as after two visits they cannot charge you any more money unless you let them in, or they manage a levy on your car.

 

If they do get in, then they cannot touch your business stuff as that belongs to a different entity than yourself. All you need is proof that it is your company goods not personal goods

and they cannot levy on it. I guess that your car is owned by the company too?

 

I know it may be difficult to imagine in the state you are in, but once you reread the advice from the guys in previous posts and take it, then you are well on the way to beating the bailiffs.

Pay the council, cut the bailiffs out of the deal. They will go after some other poor sod who has not had the advantage of the sort of advice you got here as they can make money from them-

but now not from you.

Many of us have owed the Council because we couldn't afford it either. And we weren't trying to avoid paying the same as you. It's not a crime to have a problem paying on time. It is often a crime the way bailiffs treat us.

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If you follow the above advice you should be OK, make sure your car is in a garage or otherwise out of the sight of the bailiff when he calls. Deny him a levy, and the most you will owe is £42.50 for a first and second visit fee. Dealing with the bailiff will cost you more, with all sorts of fees legitimate and dodgy, random "attendance fees" which are not in the regulations for example, as they don't have a levy.

 

They may seize a random motor parked nearby, and try to say they have a levy, but if they do that you send in a Formal Complaint, quoting the LGO and the findings in the Blaby Council case, regarding third party goods, and unjustified/unlawful charges.

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i've been reading som posts - if they hve a liabiility order for council tax arrears am i right in thinking that this automatically gives them a warrant of executtion. There is no Warrant of Execution you are confusing this with other actions.

 

they have done one visit and given me the letter in a sealed envelope asking to contact hem, how often should i expect visits? If I never allow peaceful entry, what will happen - assuming i'm paying the council regularly too? Expect various visits at sporadic times probably over a longish period of time, they may be inventive with their fees, they may allude to the fact the "van" will be in your area on such & such a date. Providing they don't gain entry or make a levy on goods outside they will eventually get bored and move on - can take up to 3 months or so though.

 

what i wan to know if ought i to expect them every day, every week or evey month i suppose?

 

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the complaint stage is very important as the more people who complain the more likely it is that the practices that certain bailiff companies practices will be looked at.

My views are based on experience I would always urge you to do some further research and if in doubt seek legal advice.

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wel we have some answers from the council...

1 - how many Liability Orders they have against you - 2 : one for year 11/12 and the other for this year

2 - the dates they were obtained - 16/3/12 (this has been cleared) and 8/6/12 for this years

3 - the addresses they were for - Both our address

4 - the period of time each covers - The outstanding one is to the end of this financial year

5 - how much each one was for - This one is for £1427.03

6 - how much is still outstanding - £1427.03, the payments made over the weekend will not show yet and they can only advise the bailiffs once it is on the system

7 - the dates they were passed on for enforcement - the hearing date for this perios was on 08/06/12

8 - the dates & amounts of any payments - £651 paid on the 1/8/12 to clear last years outstanding balance

I asked them what can be done to stop any bailiff action, however they said that once it has gone to the bailiff they cannot recind it and the balance stays with them until it has been paid off in full. The money that you paid to the them over the weekend was not an authorised agreement and will not affect the balance which is being levied by the bailiff.

 

We have also reqested the charge breakdown from he bailiffs.

 

We hav writteno the Manager of the Council tax department with our offer (wcih clear he debt by he end of the financial year) and pointed out that eltters nd notifiations from tem along the wa have not been recived but we arer genuinely wanting to repay the debt and asking them to take back th case.

 

We have written to the bailiffs saying we are nonw dealing directly wih the council.

 

I suspect we have a few more fights yet but thank you all an fingers crossed

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I asked them what can be done to stop any bailiff action, however they said that once it has gone to the bailiff they cannot recind it - that is totally wrong as the Council can recall your debt at any time but just choose not to - and the balance stays with them until it has been paid off in full. The money that you paid to the them over the weekend was not an authorised agreement and will not affect the balance which is being levied by the bailiff. - It will as the Council should be notifying them of any payments made so that a reducing balance shows.

 

We have also reqested the charge breakdown from he bailiffs.

 

We hav writteno the Manager of the Council tax department with our offer (wcih clear he debt by he end of the financial year) and pointed out that eltters nd notifiations from tem along the wa have not been recived but we arer genuinely wanting to repay the debt and asking them to take back th case.

 

We have written to the bailiffs saying we are nonw dealing directly wih the council.

 

I suspect we have a few more fights yet but thank you all an fingers crossed

 

I suspect the person you have spoken to knows nothing of the procedures involved and if asked will tell you the suns shines brightly out of the Bailiffs derriere. Shame more of them do not receive the correct training.

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The council said there is nothing they can do which I reliase is not truthful. The bailif said they checked and as there is no fomal arranement in place with the council they will still come tomorrow, so we haev moved the car down the street and locked up.

 

I did wonder whether to ask them to return to their car ad go out and offer to pay the £160 per month to them - with a schedule of which dates the can all for the cash. So long as I have a receipt and they have no levies it doesn't really matter to me that much how its paid.

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