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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi, a newby here who has been studying the wealth of information on these forums. I fell behind a few months ago with my CTax and had a liability order issued back in March. The debt was brought up to date and since I have been able to pay and am up to date. Last week, the council got a second liability order for the demand of CTax for the rest of this year despite paying every month. Yesterday I got a demand from Rossendales for £1,069. I intend to take this up with the council in the morning by going to the offices in person.

 

The letter Rossendales sent was if it was written by a 5 year old. A I&E form was enclosed and I have been threatened with Criminal prosecution and a fine of up to £500 if I don't send it back to them completed. Is this legit and legal?

 

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Hi, a newby here who has been studying the wealth of information on these forums. I fell behind a few months ago with my CTax and had a liability order issued back in March. The debt was brought up to date and since I have been able to pay and am up to date. Last week, the council got a second liability order for the demand of CTax for the rest of this year despite paying every month. Yesterday I got a demand from Rossendales for £1,069. I intend to take this up with the council in the morning by going to the offices in person.

 

The letter Rossendales sent was if it was written by a 5 year old. A I&E form was enclosed and I have been threatened with Criminal prosecution and a fine of up to £500 if I don't send it back to them completed. Is this legit and legal?

 

Thanks for any advice.

 

They have no legal right to demand you fill in the form, and could you scan and post the letter with personal info removed up on say photobucket, as to a £500 fine where did theydream that one up? Theere is no legal obligation to speak to or even deal with a bailiff, and that letter would be the basis of a Formal Complaint about the bailiffs for whom the council are 100% responsible, and liable for any misdeed or action., if they sent it to me.

 

Ask the council tomorrow,

 

How many liability orders they hold for you

How much on each one

How much left owing on each one

When were they obtained

When were they passed to bailiffs for action

 

that way you can sort fact as to what is owed from the fairytale fiction coming from Rossers.

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Hi Brassnecked,

 

Many thanks for your super quick reply!!!! I thought something stunk about this. Is this the dodgy outfit that featured on a TV Documentary some months ago with that, what seemed, mentally retarded Bailiff and Woman Director I wouldn't trust baby sitting a toy doll?

 

I'm just scanning the letter now and will post a link. Thanks again for your reply

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....Is this the dodgy outfit that featured on a TV Documentary some months ago with that, what seemed, mentally retarded Bailiff and Woman Director I wouldn't trust baby sitting a toy doll?

 

I can tell from the excellent description, even before reading your initial post, that you're talking about Rossendales. I've just checked and I see I'm correct.....

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Hi Brassnecked,

 

Many thanks for your super quick reply!!!! I thought something stunk about this. Is this the dodgy outfit that featured on a TV Documentary some months ago with that, what seemed, mentally retarded Bailiff and Woman Director I wouldn't trust baby sitting a toy doll?

 

I'm just scanning the letter now and will post a link. Thanks again for your reply

 

Yes as outlawla has already posted, the very same ones.

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Hi BN, hopefully this link works: tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qbr8si&s=6 - this is what they are calling the '14 Day Letter' (Cough) I had to leave the 'http' bit off as my posts won't accept links

 

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there is provision in the council tax administrating and enforcement regulations for the BILLING AUTHORITY to take you to court for failure to supply information

 

personally i would send a formal complaint to the CEO of your council (include a copy of the letter) and ask him when did rossendales get the legal right to prosecute for failing to supply a A&E form

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Thanks Hallowitch, you bet I will. I requested an FOI some time ago with regards to the first LO. The councils reply was that they employ Liberator to conduct their collections and any agreement / contract is between them and Rossendales, not North Somerset Council. So, the council has put in writing they are not responsible for actions taken by Bailiffs. The replies to my questions we're dodged, here's my request via the 'whatdotheyknow' FOI site: I got the charges dropped on the first LO after paying the arrears, but vindictively they have got a second LO for the whole of this year despite carrying on paying normally online. From what I have found out during this debacle, the whole process stinks and sounds very flaky...

 

Dear Mr Banana,

 

Freedom of Information Act (2000) – Request for Information

 

I write following your recent Freedom of Information request, date 14 May 2012, reference FOI/2012/0347 regarding your request for information about Council Tax.

 

The information you requested is enclosed.

 

1. Please supply me with information that justifies why North Somerset Council send out their own Council tax Summonses, despite the following legislation clearly stating that it's the court who should send out these documents and that it's a criminal offence, amounting to harassment to impersonate the court?

 

MAGISTRATES’ COURTS ACT 1980 Part II

 

Civil Jurisdiction and Procedure

 

Jurisdiction to issue summons and deal with complaints

 

51- Issue of summons on complaint

 

Where a complaint relating to a person is made to a justice of the peace, the justice of the peace may issue a summons to the person requiring him to appear before a magistrates' court to answer to the complaint.

 

THE COUNCIL TAX (ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT REGULATIONS 1992

 

PART VI – ENFORCEMENT

 

Application for liability order

 

34. —(2) The application is to be instituted by making complaint to a justice of the peace, and requesting the issue of a summons directed to that person to appear before the court to show why he has not paid the sum which is outstanding.

 

ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE ACT 1970 – Part V

 

Miscellaneous Provisions

 

40 Punishment for unlawful harassment of debtors.

 

(1) A person commits an offence if, with the object of coercing another person to pay money claimed from the other as a debt due under a contract, he—

 

(d) utters a document falsely represented by him to have some official character or purporting to have some official character which he knows it has not.

 

"A summons may be issued by a justice, the justices’ clerk or a member of the clerks staff with delegated powers contained in the Justice Clerk Rules 1999 (Statutory Instrument 1999/2784). Para 1 - 37 of the Schedule to these rules specifies the actions the Justice’s clerk has been authorised to carry out."

 

1a) Nowhere in the above does it state that a Local Council can issue and/or send out a Court Summons. As Wigan Borough Council issues and sends out numerous Court Summons's each year relating to Council Tax, can you tell me if it is lawful for you to issue Court Summons's? Can you also quote the passage from the rule/regulation/law which states a local Council can issue Court Summons's.

 

Regulation 34 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 (SI 1992/613) sets out the provisions for a billing authority to apply to a magistrate's court for a liability order for non payment of the Council Tax. This regulation provides that if an amount which has fallen due, and which has been the subject of a reminder notice* or a final notice**, remains wholly or partly unpaid on expiry of the conditions of the reminder or final notice the billing authority may apply to a magistrate's court for a liability order against the person who is liable for the Council Tax.

 

The regulation goes on to state that the application is to be instituted by making a complaint to a Justice of the peace and requesting the issue of a summons directed to the liable person to appear before the court to show why he/she has not paid the sum which is outstanding.

 

The summons must be authorised by a Justice of the Peace or by the Clerk

to the Justices, and the person whose signature appears on the summons must have personally considered the complaint. A Justice's Clerk is empowered to consider a complaint and issue a summons, in the manner of a

Justice of the Peace, by the Justice's Clerks Rules 1970. The task of signing a summons can be performed by the use of a facsimile signature, or a rubber stamped signature, of the Justice of the Peace or the Justice's Clerk signature.

 

North Somerset Council, as the billing authority, makes complaint to the Clerk to the Justices/Justice of the Peace by taking to the court a list of all persons against whom we wish to apply to the court for a liability order and relevant information. If the Clerk to the Justices or the Justice of the Peace agrees that the complaint is valid they sign the list to confirm that they authorise the issuing of the summonses in respect of all persons on the complaint list. The billing authority then produces and serves the court summonses on behalf of the court.

 

*regulation 23 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement)

Regulations 1992.

** regulation 33 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement)

Regulations 1992.

 

2. I have visited North Somerset Court House in Worle on Friday 11th May and they confirmed the Council hires out the court room for the day in which mulitple Liability Orders are batch processed. How can a Magistrate process all the Orders? I remind North Somerset Council that in the case Regina v. Brentford Justices. Ex parte Catlin, the closing comments of Lord Widgery C.J

 

"....It must however be remembered that before a summons or warrant is issued the information must be laid before a magistrate and he must go through the judicial exercise of deciding whether a summons or warrant ought to be issued or not. If a magistrate authorises the issue of a summons without having applied his mind to the information then he is guilty of dereliction of duty and if in any particular justices' clerk's office a practice goes on of summonses being issued without information being laid before the magistrate at all, then a very serious instance of maladministration arises which should have the attention of the authorities without delay...."

 

SI 1992 No.613 - The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992

Application for liability order

Section 34 states:

 

(1) If an amount which has fallen due under [paras. (3) or (4) of reg. 23 (including those paras as applied as mentioned in reg. 28A(2)] is wholly or partly unpaid, or (in a case where a final notice is required under regulation 33) the amount stated in the final notice is wholly or partly unpaid at the expiry of the period of 7 days beginning with the day on which the notice was issued, the billing authority may, in accordance with paragraph (2), apply to a magistrates' court for an order against the person by whom it is payable.

 

(2) The application is to be instituted by making complaint to a justice of the peace, and requesting the issue of a summons directed to that person to appear before the court to show why he has not paid the sum which is outstanding.

 

Council Tax regulations do not dictate the summons or who should produce it as the summons is a court document. The court has authorised us to produce the summons on their behalf, to their specification, using a facsimile signature. The case of R v Brentford Justices ex parte Caitlin demonstrates that a facsimile signature is acceptable as long as the actual complaint has been properly considered by a Justice of the Peace, or delegated to a Clerk to the Justices by the Justice of the Peace.

 

The court authorise us to produce summonses on their behalf, using a facsimile signature, to all cases listed on a single complaint. As a facsimile signature is acceptable, how the summonses are produced and who posts them is irrelevant.

 

3. Can you provide the Magistrates Oath before this administrational process is started?

 

We do not hold the information in response to this specific request. The North Somerset Magistrates Court Service should hold the information that you are requesting.

 

4. Please provide evidence of the Clerk of Justice's wet ink signatures on all summonses.

 

There is no requirement for the wet ink signature. The task of signing a summons can be performed by the use of a facsimile signature of the justice of the peace or the justice’s clerk (R v Brentford Justices ex parte Catlin (1975)

5. Contract and guidance information provided to North Somerset's Bailiff contractors, namely Rossendales.

There is no contract between North Somerset Council and Rossendales. The contract is between Liberata and Rossendales. The Freedom of Information Act does not apply as Liberata are not a public body (see legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/36/schedule/1?view=plain )

 

6. A full breakdown of Liability Order costs relevant to costs involved in the liability order collections process.

The calculation of costs for North Somerset is determined by the attached. This spreadsheet is provided to all London Authorities by the London Magistrates Court Service to enable them to calculate the level of their summons costs. No calculation sheet is provided by the local Magistrates Court Service so North Somerset has adopted this calculation sheet to determine the level of summons costs.

 

NOTHING WAS ATTACHED!

 

………………………………………………………………………………………………………

 

In line with the Freedom of Information Act (2000) and the Freedom of Information and Data Protection (Appropriate Limit and Fees) Regulations 2004, the Council reserves the right to charge for disbursements, such as photocopying and postage. However, on this occasion no fee will be charged.

 

Please note that the Freedom of Information Act only provides you with a right of access to recorded information. Any information subject to copyright will continue to be protected by the Copyright Designs and Patents Act (1998). This includes information which is copyright of the council. Disclosure of any information by the council to you does not provide you with any rights to use or distribute the information in breach of any copyright.

 

North Somerset Council now considers that it has complied with your request. However, you have a right to appeal if you are dissatisfied with our response. In the first instance you should address your appeal for a review of the response or our handling of your request to the Council’s Information Governance & Compliance Manager, in writing at:

 

Mr Gary Shipsey, Information Governance & Compliance Manager, The Town Hall, Walliscote Grove Road, Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, BS23 1UJ.

 

If you are dissatisfied with the outcome of the Council’s internal review, you have a further right of appeal to the Information Commissioner. You can request a review of the council’s decisions by contacting:

 

The Information Commissioner, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, SK9 5AF.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

Rachel Vincent

Partnership & Business Support Co-ordinator

Corporate Services

North Somerset Council

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The council are wholly liable both jointly and severally for Rossendales, who have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to threaten a CRIMINAL prosecution for failure to fill in a form. so kick them BananaRepublic. hope OB swings by and has a look, perhaps he could see if there is mileage in criminal offences of fraudulently demanding money by acting ultra vires, vis claiming to be able to pursue criminal prosecution for failing to fill in their I & E form?

 

Here is the link, you have provided I have posted it as you haven't enough posts yet:

 

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Thanks BN, coincidently, our local MP and his entourage was doing the rounds yesterday and I am glad they popped by. I explained my situation and he has offered to get involved if I have no success with the CON-SIL tomorrow. I am very keen to know if this 'Threat' by 'Wossendales' is criminal as I will take action against them and North Somerset Council. I recorded the last visit I made to NSC when I made an appointment with the CTAX department and quite clearly the (Cough) lady I saw was angry and banging the desk numerous times in which I stated why are you getting aggressive. She could not answer questions as to why Liberators online payment system failed three times to take payment which just threw back some error code un-interpretable by anyone in both organisations when I showed them the screen shots of trying to make payment.

 

I'm considering starting a blog about this and using it as a diary of events, I got a feeling this will playout for quite some time.

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This is the closest evidence I've seen that suggests local authorities can send out there own Summonses.

 

Here in a FOI request made to HMCTS Issue of Court Summons's by Wigan Borough Council

 

One of the replies points to Part 7 "Starting a Prosecution in a Magistrates' Court" in The Criminal procedure Rules 2010.

 

I think it refers to Summons, warrant and requisition 7.4 (6)

 

(6) Where the court issues a summons—

(a) the prosecutor must—

(i) serve it on the defendant, and

(ii) notify the court officer; or

 

(b) the court officer must—

(i) serve it on the defendant, and

(ii) notify the prosecutor.

 

 

Does anyone think this is ambiguous? It refers to the court issuing a summons, hence "Where the court issues a summons—" and then states that a prosecutor may serve it on the defendant.

 

However, bearing in mind liability order applications are processed sometimes in their thousands, what is more important is the reference to the case between "Regina v. Brentford Justices. Ex parte Catlin", and the comments of Lord Widgery C.J

 

"....
It must however be remembered that before a summons or warrant is issued the information must be laid before a magistrate and he must go through the judicial exercise of deciding whether a summons or warrant ought to be issued or not. If a magistrate authorises the issue of a summons without having applied his mind to the information then he is guilty of dereliction of duty and if in any particular justices' clerk's office a practice goes on of summonses being issued without information being laid before the magistrate at all, then a very serious instance of maladministration arises which should have the attention of the authorities without delay
...."

 

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I feel that Regina v. Brentford Justices. Ex parte Catlin", and the comments of Lord Widgery C.J may well apply, BUT I feel it is so serious that ONLY the Authorised Head Of Revenues could go for a summons for failing to fill in a form. It is too remote from fairness and due process to let an Agent, to take it upon themselves to do this, as their income is dependent on fees they add, especially as there is no "Legal duty" or compusion on a debtor to even deal with them. If it were me it would be the same defence as used against DVLA and their idea you MUST contact them if you hear nothing on a change of owner after 4 weeks. No legal duty to even acknowledge the bailiff.

 

I think Mrs Green-Jones thinks she is so well in with MOJ, that she can make it up as they go along

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I think as things get tougher and those struggling to pay CT, will start to call in to question, the legitimacy of how all LAs are conducting their business. Looking around the internet I see more and more people suffering at the hands of these semi-legalised thugs and liars. The worm will turn and god help those benefiting off of those who have genuine problems paying this tax that does nothing more than satisfy the shareholders of private companies like Capita, Liberata, Equita etc etc. LAs are duping us all in to thinking this is purely to reduce costs when in fact, contracting out services has proven to be a very expensive policy. Council Tax is at it's highest, yet we are seeing less and less in forms of services to the public and more and more go to the likes of Managers with Quasi positions such as 'Shape Managers', 'Teenage Pregnancy Managers' and of course, the shareholders of those companies like Capita, Rossendales etc etc.

 

This episode has opened my eyes up to how we are all being ripped off and lied to. Once you open up pandoras box, you can do one of two things. 1) Pay up and carry on watching the pap on telly and pretend none of this is really happening. 2) Take the lying, cheating low lives on. I have vowed to the MP who done his rounds yesterday that I will ensure this costs NSC much more than the £1200 a year CTax. I WILL GET MY MONIES WORTH and more. I hate liars with a passion!!

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I think as things get tougher and those struggling to pay CT, will start to call in to question, the legitimacy of how all LAs are conducting their business. Looking around the internet I see more and more people suffering at the hands of these semi-legalised thugs and liars. The worm will turn and god help those benefiting off of those who have genuine problems paying this tax that does nothing more than satisfy the shareholders of private companies like Capita, Liberata, Equita etc etc. LAs are duping us all in to thinking this is purely to reduce costs when in fact, contracting out services has proven to be a very expensive policy. Council Tax is at it's highest, yet we are seeing less and less in forms of services to the public and more and more go to the likes of Managers with Quasi positions such as 'Shape Managers', 'Teenage Pregnancy Managers' and of course, the shareholders of those companies like Capita, Rossendales etc etc.

 

This episode has opened my eyes up to how we are all being ripped off and lied to. Once you open up pandoras box, you can do one of two things. 1) Pay up and carry on watching the pap on telly and pretend none of this is really happening. 2) Take the lying, cheating low lives on. I have vowed to the MP who done his rounds yesterday that I will ensure this costs NSC much more than the £1200 a year CTax. I WILL GET MY MONIES WORTH and more. I hate liars with a passion!!

 

 

I think someone shares similar views by the looks of this FOI request:

 

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If LA's are dismissive of their responsibilities, then there is only one option and that is to take matters up with the LGO and or the Police. LA's have a duty to carry out proper investigations, especially where fraud is alleged. Every council has a code of conduct to abide by and NSC's code of conduct advice in this matter will be a template for my actions. It makes it quite clear where false claims and allegations of fraud are made, that the Police are involved. I am seriously considering contacting ITV's 'Exposure' or even Channel 4's 'Despatches' and try to extend their investigations in to Rossendales by exploring the relationships they have with LA's. I'm prepared to take part myself. I think it's time for a dedicated web site and dig deeper in to this world of LA dodgy practices. NSC have put in black and white that they have no contract or framework agreement with their respective contractors or sub contractors. This I find absolutely unbelievable, that is unless they think they are dealing with a stereotypical 'Jeremy Kyle' contestant who spends most of their money in Wetherspoons, dropping babies and grabbing as many benefits as they can.

 

I'm afraid after spending over 6 years in Afghan on and off, I'm sick and tired of this country which seems to be rapidly declining in to a dictatorship where those who try and those who work are punished. Sorry for the rant but I think my anger over this will help fuel my determination in getting to the bottom of my dilemma. I don't take threats lightly and letters like those from Rossendales is a red rag to a bull.

 

We are entirely up to date with our CTax and this is nothing more than vindictive actions from an LA trying to fire a warning shot over the bow.

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If you are up to date, why are they now sending bailiffs, is there collusion to garner fees for the bailiff? What fees are they asking for, ask for a breakdown, as they must want the rest of the 2012-13 bill up front now with visit and enforcement(dodgy) fees added.

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If you are up to date, why are they now sending bailiffs, is there collusion to garner fees for the bailiff? What fees are they asking for, ask for a breakdown, as they must want the rest of the 2012-13 bill up front now with visit and enforcement(dodgy) fees added.

 

Hi BN, after the last round of problems when the 1st LO was issued against us, I delved deeper into the actual process of summonses, the court process and how the LO was executed. It seemed I touched raw nerves at NSC and when I challenged both the Magistrates Court and the LA, I didn't realise what can of worms I have opened. I submitted a FOI to both the MOJ and NSC, both replies supplying nothing more than smoke screens for their seemly unconventional practices. I think they, NSC, thought I'd pay up, like we did but then just go away and forget about how we had been treated. After all, it was their contractors system that messed up my online payments and further investigation to what happened there drawn a blank, instead the blame was put entirely at my feet. NSC did not even make an enquiry with Liberata and just took it that their system is perfect and faultless, when I provided evidence of their systems failure, the Ctax Coolections Manger(ess) got very angry, to the point she started banging the desk in the interview room on numerous occasions. I took the liberty to record the whole thing on my phone.

 

I am convinced this whole scenario has come about because I asked too many questions. I requested the framework agreement and code of conduct information for their collections contractors (Liberata and Rossendales) they have told me twice, once verbally and now in writing they (NSC) don't have any responsibility.

 

I think I am upsetting the grind here and am seriously questioning NSC's due processes and contractual agreements with third parties, this seems to be information they are reluctant for us, the public, to see. I can see nothing other than a public enquiry into their contracts and framework agreements with the likes of Liberata / Capita etc. I think LA's have forgotton they are a PUBLIC service and those working there are public servants who are answerable to us Tax Payers and the public alike. They don't like this stance and will do anything to present themselves as a total authoritarian organisation.

 

I am visiting their offices in person tomorrow and taking unpaid leave from work (Which I will claim back) and will not move from that office until I have all my questions fully answered and those buffoons at Rossendales off our back. Even then, I am determined to take this much further.

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"they have told me twice, once verbally and now in writing they (NSC) don't have any responsibility."

 

Unfortunately for them, they are wholly vicariously liable jointly and severally with and for the actions of their appointed agents Liberata, and Rossendales. If you have it in writing that they deny any liabiolity for their agents and their collection methods, they are wrong and have stitched themselves up like kippers.

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This statement is in reply to question 5 in my FOI request:

 

5. Provide Contract and guidance information provided to North Somerset's

contractors, namely Rossendales.

 

There is no contract between North Somerset Council and Rossendales. The contract

is between Liberata and Rossendales. The Freedom of Information Act does not apply

as Liberata are not a public body (see legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/36/

schedule/1?view=plain )

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It was woth a read to expose extreme muppetry. The council have to be the target, as whatever they claim, the buck stops with them. They are liable for Rossers, whatever they claim/spout

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Thanks Ploddertom, this just confirms just what a bunch of criminals I'm having to deal with. I've looked up their Head Office on their website, any company using the term 'Mash Up' as one of their page links gets me concerned right away. Looks like I might be paying these idiots a personal visit too. Apparently, this outfit is shaping the lives of 35 million people....God Help them, they have nothing to do with shaping my life thanks!

 

I see they are working with my friends at the MOJ (liberata.com/testimonials.asp) Explains all!!!!!

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