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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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We should now be able to formulate replies, when threatened with legal proceedings, bearing mind that recently Creditors are failing to construct 'accurate and honest' reconstructions in the Courts lately and whilst a number of them have been claimants to remind them of the Authorities above, of the consequences of not 'getting it right' and initiating those proceedings

 

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important to note also that it was said in brookes that the decision in Carey '...established that the provision of a reconstituted agreement was sufficient to satisfy section 78.'

and '.....The interpretation of section 78 lay at the heart of these proceedings and they were discontinued once it had become clear as a result of the decision in Carey that they were doomed to fail.....'

so, as you said, it could be v unwise for a debtor to bring an action under s78.

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Exactly

.........they sought to find out whether in fact s61 had been complied with when in fact they ought to have ONLY gone as far as seeking s78 WITHOUT going to Court/initiating legal proceedings..once they realised that they were seeking 'beyond' that which could so easily have been done without the necessity of proceedings..gulp...they were 'up to their necks in it' and realised that they were not going to get an answer on s61 issue.

 

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Dont be...

 

in fact 'MAY' has less certainty about it...anyhow the principles for costs in terms of BINGING a CLAIM and then discontinuing are well stated in this...

 

Brookes V HSBC 2011

 

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2011/354.html

 

The judge's starting point was rule 38.6(1) which provides as follows:

 

"Unless the court orders otherwise, a claimant who discontinues is liable for the costs which a defendant against whom the claimant discontinues incurred on or before the date on which notice of discontinuance was served on the defendant."

 

m2ae

Can you please comment on what impact this has on costs incurred defending proceedings in Small Claims Court brought by the lender? Ta

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First response to my very first CPUTR 'have you got it' question to OC and reply simply doesn't mention it - goes on about I owe them blah and they will this and that but nowhere do they even mention or hint that I asked 'the' questions.... diddly squat.

 

So... completely negelecting to respond to a legitimate query? (It is a legitimate query isn;t it - or do I have to have an 'excuse' to ask if they have the original?)..... have replied again and complained.:|

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First response to my very first CPUTR 'have you got it' question to OC and reply simply doesn't mention it - goes on about I owe them blah and they will this and that but nowhere do they even mention or hint that I asked 'the' questions.... diddly squat.

 

So... completely negelecting to respond to a legitimate query? (It is a legitimate query isn;t it - or do I have to have an 'excuse' to ask if they have the original?)..... have replied again and complained.:|

 

Yes... this is common among some creditors/DCAs and needs to be raised in a FORMAL COMPLAINT if they continue to pursue you. They may not and you may not hear from them again; time will tell.

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I imagine evidence of you asking for confirmation whether they have an original, and evidence of being constantly ignores, would assist in a court situation? Or do you think the judge would simply say 'so what - why do you need to know that'.. I'm guessing my asking whether they have one and giving reasons such as 1. compare with illegible cca or 2. to ensure the information on cca is correct and can be verified would be acceptable?

 

There must be some way to link usefully this request with a leigitimate query that a judge would look kindly on and their refusal to reply not so kindly??

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I imagine evidence of you asking for confirmation whether they have an original, and evidence of being constantly ignores, would assist in a court situation? Or do you think the judge would simply say 'so what - why do you need to know that'.. I'm guessing my asking whether they have one and giving reasons such as 1. compare with illegible cca or 2. to ensure the information on cca is correct and can be verified would be acceptable?

 

There must be some way to link usefully this request with a leigitimate query that a judge would look kindly on and their refusal to reply not so kindly??

 

Are you a Libra...? :lol:

 

You're tying yourself in knots again with ifs, buts and maybes..... imagination can be a killer.

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lol.. Have a glass P1!

 

Basically - will a judge care if you asked for this information or not and care if they ignored you or not?

 

I am not a Libran! (where is my spittoon!)

 

I've no idea... I've never been to court (as yet).

 

If you get overly bogged down about whether you might go to court, what a Judge might do or might think, you might as well roll over now.... because it might never happen..... lol.

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I like to try and think (!) one step ahead - and possibly reword some letters as well that might fit nicely into such a scenario, rather than just asking have you got the original (which on its own really has no justification has it?). Perhaps it would be best to come up with a legitimate reason? for asking this question? Their subsequent refusal to reply could then be seen to be unfair if you know what I mean?

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I like to try and think (!) one step ahead - and possibly reword some letters as well that might fit nicely into such a scenario, rather than just asking have you got the original (which on its own really has no justification has it?). Perhaps it would be best to come up with a legitimate reason? for asking this question? Their subsequent refusal to reply could then be seen to be unfair if you know what I mean?

 

The justification is to check that a company is legally entitled to pursue you for money on an alleged debt or, to check on the terms and conditions that you put your alleged signature to.

 

They are both legitimate reasons to request docs..... a creditor' or DCAs refusal to comply is being awkward when faced with an additional direct request under CPUTR and there are potential sanctions for them playing silly b*ggers with you if they keep on doing this.

 

I know you have lots of questions about this but you are spreading them across LOADS of threads at the moment. If you kept to one thread only, then you'd be able to keep track on yourself and reduce the amount of knots you seem to be getting into at the same time.

 

Just a suggestion....

 

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I was being good! When I go 'off track' people complain and say I should start a new thread - anyhow how's the stalking!? ;)

 

I'm still learning English by the way!

 

Well, if it's your own thread, then you can't really be accused of going off track..... 'coz it's yours.... lol!

 

I'm stalking you far too much tonight.... :madgrin:..... but you are everywhere.... lol. That's my excuse anyway.... :lol:

 

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In a recent CCA request I used a variation of the following text - not exactly as it's shown so as not to help the DCA identify me!

It is now accepted that a reconstructed agreement can be provided in response to a CCA s77/78 request. If it is your intention to produce a reconstruction, please include in your reply a statement explaining the source of the data used to produce it and also confirm if you have a legible copy of the original document to produce in court in case you intend take legal action in future. Please remember your obligations under Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (CPUTR) 2008 mean that you must not attempt to mislead. I will assume that if no statement is provided then you do not have either the original document in readable form or that you cannot verify the data used in the reconstruction.
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The justification is to check that a company is legally entitled to pursue you for money on an alleged debt or, to check on the terms and conditions that you put your alleged signature to.

 

 

Exactly. But even more - If an OC can't produce a copy of the original signed agreement and produces what it asserts is what you may have signed up to all that time ago, you are more than entitled to question it.

 

If the OC don't know (and without the original they can't know for sure) how are you supposed to know what you may have signed if you indeed signed anything at all.

 

PS: OMWO - Good letter m8.

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Remember the costs implications in Brookes v HSBC...this can also be use to warn claimants that ignoring pre-court requests under CPUTR 2008 if they ignore you...but then later on intend to initiate proceedings to Enforce they must put the original into evidence...and that if they start proceedings only to discontinue the Authority can be used against them too.

 

However you should use this costs implications as a tool to dissuade them from bringing proceedings in the first place because they continue to ignore your requests to confirm/deny existence or that an original had been executed by and on behalf of both parties as defined in s61

 

Remember Brookes v HSBC also said that s78 is there to suspend enforcement and that it was unnecessary to go to court as the section effectively provided as much.

 

Let them provide you with s78...they will then say 'our obligations have been fulfilled'.......BUT that is all..that does not mean that they have satisfied s61

 

If THEY then wish to take it further..they will have to initiate proceedings under s61...and if they have been continuing to dodge those requests then this fact must be brought to their attention in relation to costs implications...which will certainly make them think twice from issuing in the first place.

 

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Can you please comment on what impact this has on costs incurred defending proceedings in Small Claims Court brought by the lender? Ta

 

Good question BTM...remember Brookes v Hsbc CA 2011and the reference to Rule 38 is within the context of DISCONTINUANCE in the HIGH COURT..but rule 44.12 below explains the procedure in answer to your question

 

Liability for costs

38.6(1)Unless the court orders otherwise, a claimant who discontinues is liable for the costs which a defendant against whom the claimant discontinues incurred on or before the date on which notice of discontinuance was served on the defendant.

 

(2)If proceedings are only partly discontinued –

 

(a)the claimant is liable under paragraph (1) for costs relating only to the part of the proceedings which he is discontinuing; and

 

(b)unless the court orders otherwise, the costs which the claimant is liable to pay must not be assessed until the conclusion of the rest of the proceedings.

 

(3)This rule does not apply to claims allocated to the small claims track.

 

(Rule 44.12 provides for the basis of assessment where the right to costs arises on discontinuance and contains provisions about when a costs order is deemed to have been made and applying for an order under section 194(3) of the Legal Services Act 2007)

 

Here are the links..

http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/courts/procedure-rules/civil/contents/parts/part38.htm

 

http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/courts/procedure-rules/civil/contents/parts/part44.htm

 

rgds

m2ae:-)

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So in connection with the above post...if a certain solicitor starts proceedings against you in the Small claims court (and we all know who HE is...famous for discontinuing too) you can use the Rule in 38 (3) that refers to Rule 44.12 to warn him off BEFORE proceedings start..a 'friendly timed reminder' so to speak.:wink:

 

LOOK TO RULE 44.3 especially

 

http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/courts/procedure-rules/civil/contents/parts/part44.htm#IDADEGT

 

and especially 44.6(d)...costs BEFORE proceedings have begun

 

m2ae:-)

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This is very dangerous. Quoting this, that, and the other rule, which refers to this, that, or the other rule, is just going to lose you favour with any Judge on first contact. By all means outline your case, but don't start relying on technicalities to defend your position in that way. Do so at your peril. I should know...

 

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This is very dangerous. Quoting this, that, and the other rule, which refers to this, that, or the other rule, is just going to lose you favour with any Judge on first contact. By all means outline your case, but don't start relying on technicalities to defend your position in that way. Do so at your peril. I should know...

 

Are you able to go into a little detail about what happened in your case Car?

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This is very dangerous. Quoting this, that, and the other rule, which refers to this, that, or the other rule, is just going to lose you favour with any Judge on first contact. By all means outline your case, but don't start relying on technicalities to defend your position in that way. Do so at your peril. I should know...

 

Yes I am ware of that and I do not imply that a particular rule can be used generally'...the defendant needs to know their particular case...i was merely making them aware OF the rules....I am not in particular aware of anyones case in depth and I think or hope that one understands this..One can see plainly from for example 44.3 that the Judge will take a number of factors into account.

 

But thanks for your reminder:-)

 

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