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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi All I recieved this today.......

 

Dear Mr W

 

Acct with OC xxxxx

Acct Num xxxxxx

HFO case no xxxxx

Amount Owing xxxxx

 

We have tried to contact you several times blah blah with the offer that HFO has for you in connection with your acct, Current Bal xxxxxxx.

 

We are reviewing your acct and preparing an in depth info dossier on your current financial situation, if you fail to get in touch then ' your dossier ' will be forwarded to our solicitors with the instruction ' Sue '

 

Our credit search shows that you have an active xxxx account upon your credit report, in this situation HFO have 3 options to choose from....

 

1...Initiate action against you to secure debt with a C O , you have made payments in the past and it is unlikely that you will be able to raise a credible defence to legal action.

 

2..Agree a settlement allowing you to pay a ' one time settlement ' amount...or...

 

3...Enter into a reasonable payment arrangement with you towards the full amount...

 

Additionally HFO could enforce its judgement by way of ' Warrant of execution ' whereas bailiffs will visit your home sieze goods and sell.

 

You can avoid escalation of this matter by calling me ASAP.....

 

.................................................................................................................................................

 

Within the paperwork is a load of bumpf regarding ' How To ' various forms ie...EX 325. LOC011. ????????.

 

So C'mon then guys who can do a nice reply to them from me.

 

Oh by the way this acc was cca'd but never complied with.

 

Mr W

Regards..Mr Worried :)

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The nonsense they spout is just incredible :lol:

 

Hi T

 

I know, they are shocking, I will report this to the relevant bodies? I want to phone them and have a go, but I know better.

 

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Hi T

 

Your correct and no doubt I will, however there are some hellish letter writers on here. lets just wait a day or 2 and see who comes up with the goods.

 

Mr W

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Hi Mr W

 

Who is the Original Creditor for this and how old is it? When you say you sent them a CCA request when was it, what did you receive and did you put the account in dispute by sending the relevant letter?

 

Have you ever received a Notice of Assignment and if so which company was this sold to?

 

HFO are nasty and you need to get as much information about this account as you can.

 

You need to complain about that letter to James Waldron at OFT

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Hi CD tHANKS FOR THE RESPONSE PLEASE SEE RED WRITING.

 

Hi Mr W

 

Who is the Original CreditorMorgan Stanley for this and how old is it? Last payment over 2 yr ago When you say you sent them a CCA request when was it, Nov 2009 what did you receive non compliance and did you put the account in dispute by sending the relevant letter?Yes

 

Have you ever received a Notice of Assignment and if so which company was this sold to? Not that I can remember HFO have just came on the scene.

 

HFO are nasty and you need to get as much information about this account as you can. Thats why I want to retaliate in the correct manner?

 

You need to complain about that letter to James Waldron at OFT

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Was the CCA sent to HFO or someone else? When did HFO come on the scene?

 

Morgan Stanley is now administered by Barclaycard, I believe, so you will need to contact them for further information about this

 

How old is the actual account?

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Was the CCA sent to HFO or someone else? To Morgan Stanley When did HFO come on the scene? 3 Weeks ago, phone calls etc, threatograms

 

Morgan Stanley is now administered by Barclaycard, I believe, so you will need to contact them for further information about this I will just send them the various letters, think a prove it one to HFO?

 

How old is the actual account?

about 6 7 yr old

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You can inform HFO that the account is already in dispute with MS, since date... enclose a copy of the original dispute letter you sent MS. There is a good letter for this in the library. You can add elements of the 'prove it' letter to this as you have received no notice of assignment. Also add a complaint about their harassment and threats contained in the letter which are against OFT guidelines.

 

I would suggest you ring Barclaycard and ask when and to whom this account was sold, number below. Get this confirmed in writing.

Barclaycard recoveries 0844 556 0066 (Barry Challinor is a good contact)

 

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Great CD

i SHALL DO THAT TOMMOROW AS i AM GOING OUT NOW.

 

cHEERS

 

mR w

You can inform HFO that the account is already in dispute with MS, since date... enclose a copy of the original dispute letter you sent MS. There is a good letter for this in the library. You can add elements of the 'prove it' letter to this as you have received no notice of assignment. Also add a complaint about their harassment and threats contained in the letter which are against OFT guidelines.

 

I would suggest you ring Barclaycard and ask when and to whom this account was sold, number below. Get this confirmed in writing.

Barclaycard recoveries 0844 556 0066 (Barry Challinor is a good contact)

 

A complaint to OFT is a must

Regards..Mr Worried :)

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OMG.... that has got to be one of the most childishly written threatograms that I've ever come across on these forums... :lol:

 

Is this close to being stat. barred by any chance? I quickly scanned the thread and saw it was quite an old account... when was the last payment/written acknowledgement made?

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I got one of those letters with a credit report, company credit report and photo of someone else's house attached. Presume the latter was where they were going to send the bailiffs, muppets.

 

Don't think this account is anywhere near SB which is odd

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All too common unfortunetly from HFO, I think they must be a Jim Henson creation as their muppets

My advice is given through personal experience and is given without prejudice

 

 

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Hi All I recieved this today.......

 

Dear Mr W

 

Acct with OC xxxxx

Acct Num xxxxxx

HFO case no xxxxx

Amount Owing xxxxx

 

We have tried to contact you several times blah blah with the offer that HFO has for you in connection with your acct, Current Bal xxxxxxx.

 

We are reviewing your acct and preparing an in depth info dossier on your current financial situation, if you fail to get in touch then ' your dossier ' will be forwarded to our solicitors with the instruction ' Sue ' Is it going to the FBI or something?... :lol:

 

Our credit search shows that you have an active xxxx account upon your credit report, in this situation HFO have 3 options to choose from.... I assume they're talking about a default.... so what?

 

1...Initiate action against you to secure debt with a C O , you have made payments in the past and it is unlikely that you will be able to raise a credible defence to legal action. What a pile of ballhooks..!! :lol: They can only take legal action if they have the account by Absolute Assignment and that doesn't mean they'll get a CO!! OMG!!.... what a tw*tish comment!!

 

2..Agree a settlement allowing you to pay a ' one time settlement ' amount...or... This is what they're after....

 

3...Enter into a reasonable payment arrangement with you towards the full amount... Mmmm "reasonable".... yeah right.....

 

Additionally HFO could enforce its judgement by way of ' Warrant of execution ' whereas bailiffs will visit your home sieze goods and sell. What Judgement?! :lol:

 

You can avoid escalation of this matter by calling me ASAP..... Oh bog off.... :lol:

 

.................................................................................................................................................

 

Within the paperwork is a load of bumpf regarding ' How To ' various forms ie...EX 325. LOC011. ????????.

 

So C'mon then guys who can do a nice reply to them from me.

 

Oh by the way this acc was cca'd but never complied with.

 

Mr W

 

I have a letter in my file somewhere that was sent to another DCA after they claimed to have powers of God Almighty.... I'll PM it to you if you prefer because of the issues you raised....

 

Let me know...

 

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about 6 7 yr old

 

Evening Mr. Worried,

 

This is about the same age as my Morgan Stanley. BC sent me a right old cut & paste botch in response to a CCA request. Westcotts / Nelson Guest are currently sending me threatograms, legal action threats etc. Previously I was a valued client of Moorcroft - told them to eff off.

 

You could respond to HFO and and advise them they have omitted option number 4 - foxtrot oscar!

You could also enclose an admin fee of £35 for dealing with their inane drivel. I sent one to Moorcroft and never heard from them again. I may be creating problems for myself in the future by doing this, particularly if it ended up in front of a judge, but I found being aggressive back to a moronic DCA gives me a great deal of pleasure!

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Points taken, but HFO are persistant little bleeders and tend not to back off. Mr W needs to get all the info on this. He has my permission to be very rude to them however

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Points taken, but HFO are persistant little bleeders and tend not to back off. Mr W needs to get all the info on this. He has my permission to be very rude to them however

I am happy to add my signature to that

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Hi To All

 

Thanks for the great responses, I shall sift through this lot again tommorow as my eyelids are begining to close.

 

PO will you pm that doc re my concerns.

 

Ta very much to you all.

 

Mr W

Regards..Mr Worried :)

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Hi To All

 

Thanks for the great responses, I shall sift through this lot again tommorow as my eyelids are begining to close.

 

PO will you pm that doc re my concerns.

 

Ta very much to you all.

 

Mr W

 

I'll send it you this evening.... :-)

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Done..!! Check your Inbox Mr. Worried..... :-)

 

Send by rec. delivery and see what happens. They may persist with some ramblings about Carey/McGuffick.... or they may just b*gger off.... but whatever happens, we'll deal with it.

 

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Can you PM me that letter PO? - could be useful, will not divulge it.

 

Unfortuntately, HFO tend to not bog off that easily, I think they need some basic training in reading, riting and rithmatic, so Mr W must get some more information from BC about this account.

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Can you PM me that letter PO? - could be useful, will not divulge it.

 

Unfortuntately, HFO tend to not bog off that easily, I think they need some basic training in reading, riting and rithmatic, so Mr W must get some more information from BC about this account.

 

I'm happy to PM it to you Coledog.... but need Mr. Worried to be ok with it first, if that's ok with you.... :-)

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