THE Election - Made your mind up yet ??

[angry cat]

I am NOT gay, but can see how difficult it could be for a Tory MP to come out.

 

Gay Tory MP Alan Duncan, criticised by members at local party meeting - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News

 

My apologies, if my old fashioned wording causes any offence to the gay community!

 

But, in my eyes, if a person can do the job; their job of work, then their sexuality is irrelevant!

 

Pity David Laws, didn't just face the music, so to speak, when he should have!

[angry cat]

You don't approve then AG?!

 

Hilarious, determindator LOL!!!

 

Seen it before (re: The President), but as ever always makes me crack up...

[Bookworm]

Will the public think that this is yet another ‘nose in the trough’ instalment of the long-running Westminster expenses scandal?

Yes.

 

And it plays incredibly badly for the new government that not 3 weeks into their mandate, one of the top people should be one of the top fiddlers.

 

"Vote for change" is quickly turning into a "plus ca change..." and for a govt which desperately wants to bury the expense scandal, this couldn't have come at a worse time. If it had happened before the election, well, it would have been seen as part of the same scandal. but in people's minds, that someone who had been fiddling the system for so long should then get one of the most crucial jobs... That is an image nightmare for the Condem.

 

(can't wait to se what HIGNFY is going to make of it, though! )

[angry cat]

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[determindator]

Well I just say now the air has been cleared, pays back the expenses, the Government should encourage him to continue if he's the right person for the job. Hmmm we'll see.

[angry cat]

Yes.

 

And it plays incredibly badly for the new government that not 3 weeks into their mandate, one of the top people should be one of the top fiddlers.

 

"Vote for change" is quickly turning into a "plus ca change..." and for a govt which desperately wants to bury the expense scandal, this couldn't have come at a worse time. If it had happened before the election, well, it would have been seen as part of the same scandal. but in people's minds, that someone who had been fiddling the system for so long should then get one of the most crucial jobs... That is an image nightmare for the Condem.

 

(can't wait to se what HIGNFY is going to make of it, though! )

 

Booky, the point is that David Laws do not claim an amount that he was not entitled to!

 

Unlike GB and others:

The Prime Minister's repayment - part of £21,189.53 he claimed for cleaning costs - accounted for more than half the £24,643.17 total demanded from 12 Cabinet ministers.

 

David Laws, appeared to be attempting to cover up his private life, his sexuality...?

[Bookworm]

That's what he says now, to try and excuse his fiddling. Sorry, that doesn't wash, and in fact, it makes me quite angry that he should play the gay card to try and talk himself out of trouble.

 

And going back to whoever else falsely claimed is frankly irrelevant: they got caught, they repaid (or not), some claimed more than others, yeah yeah yeah, that is SOOOO 2009.

 

The point is that he did claim something falsely, he hasn't had to resign because he is gay, but because he has fiddled his accounts. Any attempt to turn this into a gay issue is pathetic.

[babybear39]

How anyone can attempt to justify his actions is beyond my comprehension...

[determindator]

I know what you are saying Booky but it seems he was a private person when it came to his personal life but 'they' (whoever 'they' are) brought this issue into the discussion.

[Conniff]

The only reason he kept it a secret is because you can't claim and pay a partner. Bookies taken the words right out of my mouth.

When anyone want to stop an aguement or condemnation, they mention kids, green, sexuality, religion or race.

 

Well his con job, the one he obviously thought he had got away with, is now public.

[determindator]

This being the case and a deliberate attempt to breach the rules he should stand down.

[Desperate Daniella]

I think he had to go because he broke the rules, but despite the fact that it may have been an open secret at Westminster this doesn't mean that David Laws told his family or all his friends that he was gay.

 

There are still some people who do not want the world to know they are gay, and if they want to keep it quiet that is up to them. I know of a 60 year old man who works in the City who is gay, but would die rather than let his work colleagues know. He has always been very careful to have a pretty woman with him at all work-related events.

 

Other gay men marry to cover up their sexuality. I don't personally agree with this, but some wives will turn a blind eye as they too may wish to appear to the world as happily married for all sorts of reasons, so if two people are equally happy to make this sort of arrangement then so be it.

[babybear39]

Degrees of deception...Where is the line drawn?

[locutus]

Degrees of deception...Where is the line drawn?

 

I also remember the Bill Clinton "I did not have..." saga.... His popularity went UP, and many believe it's because people empithised with his family situation. I think David Laws is going to have a similar boost in popularity as people like to identify with others, and we all tell little white lies to spare other peoples feelings from time to time. "No your bum doesn't look big in that" springs to mind...

[Fred Bassett]

I also remember the Bill Clinton "I did not have..." saga.... His popularity went UP, and many believe it's because people empithised with his family situation.

 

Talking of which, Monica Lewinski is still on the scene ...

[Desperate Daniella]

[Bookworm]

I know what you are saying Booky but it seems he was a private person when it came to his personal life but 'they' (whoever 'they' are) brought this issue into the discussion.

Seems to me he's the one who didn't feel quite so shy about bringing it in the open when it came to try and justify his actions. ;-)

[angry cat]

Danny Alexander, new Treasury chief, avoided capital gains tax on house - Telegraph

 

Looks like, Mr. Clegg may have to eat his words!?

[angry cat]

Analysis: How high flyer David Laws fell from grace - Telegraph

[Conniff]

Danny Alexander, new Treasury chief, avoided capital gains tax on house - Telegraph

 

Looks like, Mr. Clegg may have to eat his words!?

 

"The claims appear to undermine repeated claims by Mr Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, that no Lib Dem MP profited from the expenses system. "

 

They must have assured him of such, so that proves them liars as well.

[Thailand]

They don't want their personal lives all over the red tops - just like most heterosexual couples wouldn't want it either.

 

Oooohhh, inference inference - ignoramus.

 

Oh, hark at you again. I know you'll get away with excuses, but I got you pinned.

 

Just WTF do you mean by this (as if I don't know). Some gay people just get on with their lives? Smacks a little of your pathetic assertions aimed at me, what with you being a clever little sausage. You make sweeping general assumptions about people and you are UNAWARE of it. You infer, deny it or not, that the gays YOU like don't do such things - but you are talking out of your behind. Are you an expert or what? Are YOU gay? Oh, no, probably not, you just know best.

 

I can smell where you are coming from and it sucks....know nothing/big opinion. 'Ooohh I've got gay friends, so I'm clued up' jesus - I bet you don't really know them. The whole gay thing is irrelevant, so stop making parallels. You should you're clearly wrong. It is ALMOST as bad as AC's disgusting '16 is too young' embarrassing post (another that knows best).

 

Eejits.

 

You need to understand why you say 'some gay people'. Yes, that's fine in itself, why not, but you have personally given me the whole 'holier than thou' rubbish in defining your ill-conceived assumptions about me, and you are at it again miss knownufink. You know nothing about it, so keep your rubbish to yourself - free speech - ok, but I won't see that go unnoticed.

 

Say a prayer for me, lmFAO.

 

Now - I need 15 million so I have an athiest parrrrtaayyyyy, AC will allow it (avoidance of question taken as gospel) can I have it??

 

Off topic, I know, but fun all the same. I'm thinking we need est. cira 5 Billion to make sure we all get to celebrate stuff...cough up!

 

Assuming you are a taxpayer of course, otherwise I'll have to seek my permissions elswhere.

[Thailand]

Got a link about HIV in ghana mixed up with the above quote by DD - my bad. I was referring to this:

 

Some gay people just get on with their lives, going out as a normal couple to supper with the neighbours, and so on. They don't want their personal lives all over the red tops - just like most heterosexual couples wouldn't want it either.

[angry cat]

You do go off the deep end a bit, Thailand!

 

Personally speaking, I do feel some sympathy for David Laws; probably, due to my age group and knowing how some of them (60's plus) think/judge.

Not me, I hasten to add.

However, in reality, he should have checked out the rules;

a great pity that he did not...

[Thailand]

No, I do not go of the deep end. Whilst I confess it reads that way, it is what has been said previously that sticks.

 

I am not, in the slightest, referring to David Laws.

 

I posted that link up on facebook many hours before it turned up here - and TBH, I didn't read it (flatmate told me about it).

 

My comments, again!, are nothing to do with that and I echo a previous comment (Bookie, I think) that said something along the lines of 'his homosexuality is no excuse' it certainly is not.

[Thailand]

But then I am, again, guessing because I didn't want to read it. I'm human. The same way Catholics, like yourself, don't read the Irish reports of child rape/torture because the truth potentially hurts. You know, criminal abuse in the name of religion (It's lost on you...don't fret)

 

I'm not sure there is a parallel there, but I didn't read it for some reason...guessing really.