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    • Sorry for the long post but I don't want to miss out any relevant information: My wife bought a car from Trade Centre UK and have been having nothing but trouble with it. Unfortunately we paid of the finance used to buy the car as we weren't expecting this much trouble with the car as we we though we would have protection as buying from a dealer. We are wondering if we can still reject the vehicle since the finance plan has been paid off. Timeline is as follows: 13/12/2023 -15/12/2023 Bought car from Trade Centre UK for £10548 £2000 deposit paid on credit card on 13/12/2023 £8548 on finance from Moneybarn (arranged through Trade Centre UK). picked up car on 15/12/2023 Also bought lifetime warranty for £50/month 25/12/2023 Engine Management Light comes on. The AA called out and diagnosed the following error codes: P0133 - Lambda sensor (bank 1, sensor 1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Slow reaction. Error sporadic P0135 - Lambda sensor heat. circ.(bank1,sensor1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Component defective Due to it being Christmas took a few days to get through to them but they booked me in for 28/12/2023 to run their own diagnostics. 28/12/2023 Took car in to Trade Centre so could check the car – They agreed it was the Oxygen Sensor and Booked me in for repair on 30/01/2024. I was told they had no earlier slots, and I would be fine to carry on driving car when I said I was afraid of problem worse. During diagnosing the problem, they reset the Engine Management Light. During drive home light comes back on. 29/12/2023 - 29/01/2024 I carry on driving the car but closer to the date, engine goes to reduced power every now and again – not being a mechanic I presumed that this was due to above fault. 20/01/2024 Not expecting any more problems paid off the finance on the car using personal loan from bank with lower interest rate. 30/01/2024 Trade Centre replace to O2 sensor (They also take it on a roughly 60mile road trip which seems a bit excessive to me – I can’t prove this as something prompted me take a picture of milage when I handed car in but I forgot take one on collection – only remembered next day.) 06/02/2024 Engine goes in reduced power mode again and engine management light comes on – Thinking the Trade centre’s 28 day warranty period was over I booked the car the into local garage for the next day to get problem fixed under the lifetime warranty package. Fault seems to clear after engine was switched off. 07/02/2024 In the Morning, I take it to local garage who say as the light gone off – the warranty company is unlikely to cover the cost of the repair or diagnostics and recommend I contact them when the light comes back on. In the evening the light comes back on and luckily I manage to get it back to the garage just before it shuts for the day. 08/02/2024 The Garage sends me a diagnostics video showing a lot error codes been picked up by their diagnostics machine including codes for Oxygen sensor and Nox Sensors, Accelerator pedal and several more. Video also shows EGR Hose not connected to the intake manifold properly, they believed this was confusing the onboard system as it is unlikely this many sensors would trigger at same the time but they couldn’t be certain until they repaired the hose. 13/02/2024 Finally get the car back as it took a while to get approval and payment for the repairs from the Warranty company. 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I asked them if they were willing to connect the car to the diagnostics machine and tell me what the problem was, as a goodwill gesture, which he agreed to do and took the car to the back He came back around 30 minutes later and said they took a look at the sensor they replaced previously and there was nothing wrong with it and engine management light went off when they removed the sensor to check it. When I asked what the error code he couldn’t give me an exact fault but the said it one of the problems I told him earlier (Accelerator pedal). I have this visit audio recorded on my phone – I informed the reps I was recording several times. As the light wasn’t on, local garage couldn’t book me for a repair under warranty. 07/03/2024 Light came on so managed to book back into local garage for the 12/03/2024 Whilst waiting to take car into garage, I borrowed a OBD sensor and scanned for errors on the car. This showed the following errors: P11BE – Manufacturer specific code (Google showed this to be NOX sensor) P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow 12/03/2024 Took car to local garage and the confirmed the above errors. This leads me to believe that either Trade Centre UK reps lied and just reset the light or just didn’t check properly (Obviously I am unable to prove this) 22/03/2024 Finally got the car back as according to garage, the warranty company took a long to time to pay for the repairs 28/04/2024 Engine management Light has come back on. Using the borrowed OBD scanner I am getting the following codes: P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow P2138 - Accelerator Position Sensors (G79) / (G185): Implausible Correlation I have not yet booked into a garage as I wanted to see what my rights are in terms of rejecting the car as to me the faults seem related. I can’t keep using taxi or train to get to work every time the car goes into the garage as it is getting very expensive. Am I right in thinking that they have used up their chance to repair when they conducted the repair end of January or when they refused to repair it in February ? If I am still able to reject the vehicle could you point to any sample letters or emails I can use. Thankyou for your advice on my next steps.
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A bailiff just called at my property to serve a Removal of Goods Notice on my daughter for unpaid council tax. This debt was incurred at her previous address and they are now pursuing her at my address. He explained that if they were unsuccessful in recovering the debt they would move on to further legal proceedings, such as an Attachment order against her income or Confinement proceedings. I expressed surprise that the bailiff (rather than the council) would be involved in initiating any further legal proceedings. He explained that as the debt had been passed to them, they would do this jointly with the council. Is he just trying to frighten me into paying up for my daughter?

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Tell them to take a walk...your daughter does not live at that address end of story..

If they can't find her they will have to return the file to the council and she will then be able to make arrangements with them to pay direct to them..but must stick with this or they will be back.. DO NOT LET HIM IN EVEN IF HE HAS A HEART ATTACK ON YOUR DOORSTEP KEEP ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS FIRMLY LOCKED and IF YOUR DAUGHTER HAS A CAR THEN TELL HER TO HIDE IT ..NOT IN THE NEXT STREET BUT WELL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.

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Why are they pursuing her at your address, does she live with you again?

I agree with WD, tell them to take a walk in the park they have no powers over you and if they get stroppy tell them you will call the Police.

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A bailiff just called at my property to serve a Removal of Goods Notice on my daughter for unpaid council tax. This debt was incurred at her previous address and they are now pursuing her at my address. He explained that if they were unsuccessful in recovering the debt they would move on to further legal proceedings, such as an Attachment order against her income or Confinement proceedings. I expressed surprise that the bailiff (rather than the council) would be involved in initiating any further legal proceedings. He explained that as the debt had been passed to them, they would do this jointly with the council. Is he just trying to frighten me into paying up for my daughter?

 

I didn't realise Enid Blyton had moved into Bailiffing. As has already been said they can't do much as it is not your debt. If your daughter now lives with you as a precaution I would do a Statutory Declaration on your own goods including car as the Bailiff may just try to chance his arm by seizing your goods.

 

If your daughter does not live with you then you are not obliged to tell the Bailiff where she lives. He's the one that's come up with the stories now let him play Miss Marple if he's that good.

 

It may pay for your daughter to start making regular payments to the Council either online or automated phone. If this then goes any further it can be seen that she is willing to pay rather than not paying at all. It may then stand her in good stead if the case goes back to the Council or back to Court.

 

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Thanks to all who have replied. There were several useful suggestions. However, it appears that I did not make myself clear. My question was specifically about whether the bailiff would initiate further legal proceedings, as opposed to the council. My previous understanding was that it is the creditor that makes legal proceedings not the bailiff. I thought the bailiff's role was to impose a warrant, not to take out further warrants. I thought that if they were unsuccessful in imposing a warrant, they would pass the case back to the council who would then decide whether they themselves wish to pursue attachment of income, or confinement proceedings. Was the bailiff misleading me when he said that he would do this in conjunction with the council?

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Was the bailiff misleading me when he said that he would do this in conjunction with the council

 

 

 

yes he was if the bailiff cant get payment or goods (levy to secure the debt against) then the bailiff company send back the debt to the council Nulla Bona the council then decide how to proceed to recover the debt

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Thanks to all who have replied. There were several useful suggestions. However, it appears that I did not make myself clear. My question was specifically about whether the bailiff would initiate further legal proceedings, as opposed to the council. My previous understanding was that it is the creditor that makes legal proceedings not the bailiff. I thought the bailiff's role was to impose a warrant, not to take out further warrants. I thought that if they were unsuccessful in imposing a warrant, they would pass the case back to the council who would then decide whether they themselves wish to pursue attachment of income, or confinement proceedings. Was the bailiff misleading me when he said that he would do this in conjunction with the council?

 

Any further action is instigated by the Council, whether they take any notice of what may be suggested to them by a third party is open to opinion but would think it's a case of thanks but no thanks as most Council's have their methods cast in stone.

 

The Bailiff would hope that you haven't a clue about his powers and these stories he makes up willmake you quiver in your boots so much that you will pay up on the spot.

 

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Many thanks to hallowitch and PT for confirming my understanding. So all I need to do now is make sure that they are not able to recover anything and it will then be passed back to the Council. I will then encourage my daughter to deal with them responsibly.

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So all I need to do now is make sure that they are not able to recover anything and it will then be passed back to the Council. yes it will go back to the council

I will then encourage my daughter to deal with them responsibly

I would advice you to try and get your daughter to pay something direct to the council even if its only £5 wk this means they cant accuse her of being a wont pay

 

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it should be on the records of the company that the address is a "care of" address, so they will know that they cant do anything apart from trying to look the part and like someone has already said, hope you dont know the ins and outs of civil law and pay.

when the bailiffs send a file back to the council, they will recommend that commital proceedings are started, most popular are attachment of earnings/benefits. they can instigate bankruptcy proceedings or impose a prison sentance but the amount it costs the council to to this has shot up, and so is extremely rare nowadays. you would literally have to have not paid anything in 4-5 years for them to consider this i think

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