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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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The Judge said that she had to agree with my points and dismiss the SD.

 

She then went on picking through my costs and she refused to alllow anything for taking 1/2 day off work to attend hearing because I had not provided evidence that I should have been working. She then also queried my research time, but in the end awarded me costs of £169. I requested £235.

 

I have already reported them to the OFT and also written to my local MP.

 

Is there anything else I should do?

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Yeeaaaaah!!!

Go Trumpetmaest, Go Trumpetmaest!!!

 

Yes, there is something else you need to do. In a few days you will get by post a one-page document called a Court Order. It has a Court stamp on it. It will give you the date by which CapQuest have to pay your costs. Make a note of the date, because if they haven't paid you by that date, you can send the bailiffs round for payment of your costs plus £100 of their own (bailiffs') costs!

 

Post on here if they don't pay and I'll talk you through it.

 

Again, well done.

Liz Southern.

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Well done m8 didnt it feel good walking out of that room knowing you had taken a them all the way and won after all there hot air threats.

What LIZ said above they have 14 days i think from when the order was made to pay costs if they dont warrrent of execution time.I had great please threatening them over the phone with that one the call handler didnt know what to do lol.Felt great having the shoe on the other foot.

Have a party and send a pic and a thank you to kap west when you have the money off them.

As far as there next move is they may sell it on or you may never here of it again maybe i havent and its been nearly a year.

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Yeeaaaaah!!!

Go Trumpetmaest, Go Trumpetmaest!!!

 

Yes, there is something else you need to do. In a few days you will get by post a one-page document called a Court Order. It has a Court stamp on it. It will give you the date by which CapQuest have to pay your costs. Make a note of the date, because if they haven't paid you by that date, you can send the bailiffs round for payment of your costs plus £100 of their own (bailiffs') costs!

 

Post on here if they don't pay and I'll talk you through it.

 

Again, well done.

Liz Southern.

 

 

better still- sit on the judgement for 4-5 weeks so that it goes on their credit record for the next 6 years THEN send the bailiff in

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Cheque arrived today!!! :D

Thankyou thankyou thankyou.

 

One thing that alarmed me was their reference though! It said SD No. 3xx of 2009.

 

Does this mean that Barry Davies has issued over 300 Stat Demands this year?

 

 

Not for much longer I hope....

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Most of this cretins SDs are mickey mouse documents just like his mickey mouse company. They did a mass mailing of them last Christmas to Northern Ireland but the were all fundamentally flawed and would have been laughed out of Court at huge expense to Crapquest. Needless to say the never followed through.

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I wonder if anyone can help me and offer me some advice.

 

I have had several dealings with Caapquest regarding a disputed skycard debt they claim to have purchased going back to Oct 2007.

 

I have never acknowledged the debt, they failed to produce a legible agreement with t&c's etc so and the account has been in dispute.

 

They pursued me with a Stat demand in 2009... which was dismissed:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?199097-capquest-stat-demand-***-WON-COSTS-***&p=2455539#post2455539

 

About 2 weeks ago I got a letter from them stating that they had continued to update their records and inform credit rating agencies and if they did'nt hear from me with in the next 14 days they would start court action which might include a charging order etc... but I could call their friendly people and start paying them....

 

I wrote back stating that I was surprised to receive the letter as the last letter I had received from them had a cheque in it to cover my court costs!

 

I have now got a letter back stating that they purchased the debt from skycard and were acting in good faith as they were not aware of any dispute. The letter states that the money they paid me was in relation to the stat demand and has no bearing on the current outstanding balance and they are the legal owners of the debt.

 

They have given me 14 days in which to respond before the account is passed back to collections which may include court action.

 

Any advice on how to proceed?

 

The paper from the court states that the case was dismissed after reading the evidence presented... This was to do with the lack of a properly executed agreement, no notice of default, letter of assignment etc.

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so it should be almost sb'ed now?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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purchase date is nowt to do with it

 

its YOUR last in/out

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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There is 13 months to go before it could be classed as statute barred...

 

Can they pursue this even though it has been dismissed once by a judge. I know it was a stat demand but their witness statement was about agreements etc and my evidence that I presented was about lack of.... Agreement, default notices, letter of assignments etc,

 

Thanks

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Hi,

 

I have a link here in the Debt collectors forum but I wondered if anyong could offer me advice on how to proceed.

 

Here is the link. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?343285-Capquest-started-contacting-me-again!

 

I'm not sure how to respond to them on this one.

 

I checked my credit file last month and the default they (Capquest) put on my account was in March 2006 but their letter states 'they bought the account in October 2007'. The default has now gone from my credit report.

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Just quickly read the link. One point first, there's nothing to stop them bringing a 'second' action as the SD was dismissed. Issuing a claim subsequently is quitecommon as ultimately the dispute must be resolved.

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I think I answered that above! For the avoidance of doubt, the fact the SD was dismissed showed that there was, to that particular judge's mind, a genuine trialable issue. Therefore, in order to resolve that issue, a claim could be brought where the issue would be explored in detail and a decision made on the balance of probabilities.

 

I imagine that if you referred to the SD being dismissed the creditor's response would be "yes, that's why a claim has been issued. So what?".

 

Hope that helps!

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