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    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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    • Hi  no nothing yet. Hope it stays that way 😬
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On Novemver 2008 I found my car clamped by Phillips collections on behalf of City of Westminster. The vehicle is protected by consuner act on HP scheme. Paid 8500 so far and outstandin 24000.

 

Complaint to company no response to complaint. Instead been harrassed. have no clue about these PCNs till only knew bout it wen found car clamped. Been harrassed that I will be visited at work!

 

I have now issued a County Claim vs them. Hearin next May 09. In the process of writin a witness statement next week.

 

I would apptreciate help .

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I filed a claim in the county court vs Philips collections as they clamped and removed by vehicle unlawfully on Nov . They claim they actin on behalf of City of westminster for unpaid PCNs. I have not recieved any notices.

 

Hearin on May 2009.

 

Please help

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I filed a claim in the county court vs Philips collections as they clamped and removed by vehicle unlawfully on Nov . They claim they actin on behalf of City of westminster for unpaid PCNs. I have not recieved any notices.

 

Hearin on May 2009.

 

Please help

 

Have you asked them to justify their fees , as it maybe they were acting on behalf of Westminster , however they can only charge you so much a visit or letter , and they should be able to provide proof of visits , correspondence , how much did they charge you ?

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Can you list the charges that you had to pay. I can then compare them with the copy of the fee scale that we have. The fees are CAPPED so this should be easy.

 

You need to also find out the name of the bailiff. This is vitally important.

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There is a hearin comin up..I have to file a witmess statement in which I would ask for such info..or shall I ask for these now.

City of Westminster said I should deal with them!

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You need to file a out of time stat dec or witness statement. If these are refused then you lodge a n244 and ask fo the decision to be set aside. Once this is done the warrant is nolonger live and is revoked. You are going to a hearing in the hope that you win while what you are fighting is still alive. Did you actually ask anybody or try to do this off your own back after reading from these forums ?

So whats cooking today ?

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I have started the action alone last December when I been harrassed and vehicle calmped ..I am completin a witness statement and the court knows that I have no clue about PCN until removal .This was in my claim..It is allocated to a small track but will complete OOT declartion...Where should I sent OOT to...Hearin in London !!

 

Also contacted Phillips and was told that City Pf Westminster hold the Baillif certificate.

I am LIP in this

Advise and help please

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You need to file one of these :

 

If your tcicket was bfore 31/03/08

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/files/OOTApplicationPack.pdf

 

This one if it is after 30/03/08

 

http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/HOME/TRANSPORT%20AND%20STREETS/MOTOR%20VEHICLES,%20ROADS%20AND%20PARKING/PARKING/PARKING%20ENFORCEMENT/CPE%20PARKING%20LEGISLATION/CPE%20PENALTY%20CHARGE%20NOTICE/CPEOUTOFTIMEAPPLICATION.PDF On this one ignore the bit about the £35 fee.

 

 

File one of these and try to get the hearing adjourned.

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Thank you for that..Will file above and ask for hearin to be adjounrned..The problem I have is that in their defence they are putin only one PCN number while claimin there is few..Should I just put the PCN in their defence.

 

Also they have put me in trouble with finanace company as now they have released car to finanace company who want to sell it ASAP..

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Further, I noticed that the unlawful removal was due to one PCN which has now been removed from Phillips and referred to City Of Westminster. This is the PCN which is in the court I issued the claim for. The hearin is next month. Shall I continue with it While filin OOT statutory declaration to the other PCNs they are sayin they hold.

 

I have asked them for the warrant of execution and details of the PCNs they are claimin and also for details of the court that hold licence of the baillif who removed vehicle unlawfully on Nov 2008.

 

Please advise.

 

Now Philiips

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Also they have put me in trouble with finanace company as now they have released car to finanace company who want to sell it ASAP..

 

This suggests you were already in trouble with the finance company if they want the vehicle sold asap. Finance companies rarely agree to this unless their customer has seriously defaulted on the HP agreement. Maybe the finance company authorised the removal of "their" vehicle.....

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All cases are in hold now pendin the hearin next months.Will file statutory declaration tomorrow..

Shall I ask for hearin adjounment or file the witness statement ? Please advise ASAP.

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well in a similar case a few years back a well known bailiff company lifted a car which had a couple of grand outstanding on HP as the car was worth considerably more

 

despite protests from the hp company who were offered the opportunity to settle the warrant and have the car returned to them and refused

 

the car was sold the balance owed to the HPO company paid and the rest went towards the warrant.

 

hp company bitched about it but when offered to take their grievance to court to test the matter they backed down!!!

 

even cars on Hp are not necessarily safe if the car is worth a lot more than the remaining finance on them

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A lot of companies are now bucking the trend this way. If the hp company were to chase the bailiffs then it would include litigation costs etc. However if the person whos warrant the vehicle was lifted on in the first place sued the bailiff company it would be a whole new ball game.

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well it would be interesting to see a test case thats for sure

 

im not sure what the outcome would be because as far as i can see if the hp company it not out of pocket at the end of the day then as the hirer as no legal interest in the ownership of the vehicle but IS responsible under the law for fines against the vehicle as the registered keeper- then i don't see what arguments would be put forward not to distrain his goods

 

i think the courts would start out with the presumption that the person could and should have mitigated his losses from the outset by settlingh the fine

 

make a very interesting case i would have thought

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