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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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On Novemver 2008 I found my car clamped by Phillips collections on behalf of City of Westminster. The vehicle is protected by consuner act on HP scheme. Paid 8500 so far and outstandin 24000.

 

Complaint to company no response to complaint. Instead been harrassed. have no clue about these PCNs till only knew bout it wen found car clamped. Been harrassed that I will be visited at work!

 

I have now issued a County Claim vs them. Hearin next May 09. In the process of writin a witness statement next week.

 

I would apptreciate help .

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I filed a claim in the county court vs Philips collections as they clamped and removed by vehicle unlawfully on Nov . They claim they actin on behalf of City of westminster for unpaid PCNs. I have not recieved any notices.

 

Hearin on May 2009.

 

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I filed a claim in the county court vs Philips collections as they clamped and removed by vehicle unlawfully on Nov . They claim they actin on behalf of City of westminster for unpaid PCNs. I have not recieved any notices.

 

Hearin on May 2009.

 

Please help

 

Have you asked them to justify their fees , as it maybe they were acting on behalf of Westminster , however they can only charge you so much a visit or letter , and they should be able to provide proof of visits , correspondence , how much did they charge you ?

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Can you list the charges that you had to pay. I can then compare them with the copy of the fee scale that we have. The fees are CAPPED so this should be easy.

 

You need to also find out the name of the bailiff. This is vitally important.

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There is a hearin comin up..I have to file a witmess statement in which I would ask for such info..or shall I ask for these now.

City of Westminster said I should deal with them!

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You need to file a out of time stat dec or witness statement. If these are refused then you lodge a n244 and ask fo the decision to be set aside. Once this is done the warrant is nolonger live and is revoked. You are going to a hearing in the hope that you win while what you are fighting is still alive. Did you actually ask anybody or try to do this off your own back after reading from these forums ?

So whats cooking today ?

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I have started the action alone last December when I been harrassed and vehicle calmped ..I am completin a witness statement and the court knows that I have no clue about PCN until removal .This was in my claim..It is allocated to a small track but will complete OOT declartion...Where should I sent OOT to...Hearin in London !!

 

Also contacted Phillips and was told that City Pf Westminster hold the Baillif certificate.

I am LIP in this

Advise and help please

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You need to file one of these :

 

If your tcicket was bfore 31/03/08

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/files/OOTApplicationPack.pdf

 

This one if it is after 30/03/08

 

http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/HOME/TRANSPORT%20AND%20STREETS/MOTOR%20VEHICLES,%20ROADS%20AND%20PARKING/PARKING/PARKING%20ENFORCEMENT/CPE%20PARKING%20LEGISLATION/CPE%20PENALTY%20CHARGE%20NOTICE/CPEOUTOFTIMEAPPLICATION.PDF On this one ignore the bit about the £35 fee.

 

 

File one of these and try to get the hearing adjourned.

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Thank you for that..Will file above and ask for hearin to be adjounrned..The problem I have is that in their defence they are putin only one PCN number while claimin there is few..Should I just put the PCN in their defence.

 

Also they have put me in trouble with finanace company as now they have released car to finanace company who want to sell it ASAP..

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Further, I noticed that the unlawful removal was due to one PCN which has now been removed from Phillips and referred to City Of Westminster. This is the PCN which is in the court I issued the claim for. The hearin is next month. Shall I continue with it While filin OOT statutory declaration to the other PCNs they are sayin they hold.

 

I have asked them for the warrant of execution and details of the PCNs they are claimin and also for details of the court that hold licence of the baillif who removed vehicle unlawfully on Nov 2008.

 

Please advise.

 

Now Philiips

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Also they have put me in trouble with finanace company as now they have released car to finanace company who want to sell it ASAP..

 

This suggests you were already in trouble with the finance company if they want the vehicle sold asap. Finance companies rarely agree to this unless their customer has seriously defaulted on the HP agreement. Maybe the finance company authorised the removal of "their" vehicle.....

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All cases are in hold now pendin the hearin next months.Will file statutory declaration tomorrow..

Shall I ask for hearin adjounment or file the witness statement ? Please advise ASAP.

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well in a similar case a few years back a well known bailiff company lifted a car which had a couple of grand outstanding on HP as the car was worth considerably more

 

despite protests from the hp company who were offered the opportunity to settle the warrant and have the car returned to them and refused

 

the car was sold the balance owed to the HPO company paid and the rest went towards the warrant.

 

hp company bitched about it but when offered to take their grievance to court to test the matter they backed down!!!

 

even cars on Hp are not necessarily safe if the car is worth a lot more than the remaining finance on them

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A lot of companies are now bucking the trend this way. If the hp company were to chase the bailiffs then it would include litigation costs etc. However if the person whos warrant the vehicle was lifted on in the first place sued the bailiff company it would be a whole new ball game.

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well it would be interesting to see a test case thats for sure

 

im not sure what the outcome would be because as far as i can see if the hp company it not out of pocket at the end of the day then as the hirer as no legal interest in the ownership of the vehicle but IS responsible under the law for fines against the vehicle as the registered keeper- then i don't see what arguments would be put forward not to distrain his goods

 

i think the courts would start out with the presumption that the person could and should have mitigated his losses from the outset by settlingh the fine

 

make a very interesting case i would have thought

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