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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi All, Ive recently sent an SAR and recieved a letter stating the following:

 

"Thankyou for your letter dated, which we are treating as an SAR under the DPA 1998.

 

We require you to complete the attached questionnaire and proof of identity to enable us to comply with your request and the statutory obligtions placed upon us regarding secure access to data. We acknowledge receipt of your payment . Please note the application cannot be processed until the form is received".

 

Ok so what should I do as Ive read that you should never sign anything for these people as they can copy your signature. I already revceived a blank CCA??

 

Any help woudl be great to my next steps :)

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Whos it with, and have they always corresponded with you at the address you provided?

 

If yes then simply write back and tell them that previously to this request they were quite happy to send statements etc to this address without you having to provide proof of who you were.

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Its JD Williams, they have just sent me a so called CCA but its a photocopy with the wrong details entered!!! Will that kind of letter be enough to get them to send out the information I need?

 

Many Thanks :)

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Dear Sirs,

 

RE Account NO XXXXXXXX

 

Thank you for your letter dated xx/xx/2008 the contents of which are noted

In your letter you make reference to requiring my signed authorisation /specimen signature** before you comply. I draw your attention to the fact that the Consumer Credit Act 1974 does not require that I supply you with a copy of my signature before you comply with my S77/78** request.

 

If it is for Data Protection purposes then I can happily supply you with documentation to substantiate my identity to you.

 

However please note that to date you have happily sent statements and correspondence containing extensive sensitive private information to my address. I have to ask, if you are concerned that you are corresponding with the correct person, why has it taken so long to raise this.

 

As you are aware, disclosing data without adequate checks of identity is contrary to the 7th principal of data protection, listed in schedule 1 of the Data protection Act 1998:

 

7. Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data.

 

My request for a true copy of my credit agreement under section 77/78** was made on xx/xx/2008 and the 12 working days for your compliance expire on xx/xx/2008. I note that there is no provision that removes the requirements of the act to provide this information on time, even if you are unsure of my identity.

 

If you do not understand this letter, you should seek qualified legal advice

 

I look forward to receiving the documentation requested

 

Regards

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Sorry new to all this :) the OC is that Original Creditor? The original creditor was JDW and they use Reliable Collections (aparently in the same office )as the debt collector..I CCA'd Relaible and they sent me what they claim to be a copy of the CCA but just a copy..so I replied to the address on the top of the letter they sent me with the SAR to JDW/ Reliable and they sent me the reply today asking for proof of ID??

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What Im trying to do is get them into court for processing incorrect data..Il send the letter you posted for me and see what I get back..it just seems like Im banging my head against a brick wall!!

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Ok, so I complete the questionnaire they have sent me and they have asked me to sign and have it witnessed!! when you say crosses do you mean XXXXXX through the whole signature...sorry to appear a bit thick but dont want them to have any way of copying the signature

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Hi Everyone..I just thought i would check as Ive been reading so many posts right back to 2006 and have become brain locked!! so these companies can request a signature from you before providing the SAR request? ive read you should use big felt tip pens? 42man suggests if i sign i should put lots of crosses though, does this mean XXXXXX ??

 

Thanks for all of your help :)

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42man is referring to putting a couple of horizontal lines through your signature. Personally if I was going to supply my signature I would give them any old rubbish that wasn't the same as the one used to open the account (well people's signatures do change over the years ;)) Just think if that 'new' signature were to appear on a copy of an agreement :eek:

 

Oooh don't you just love a bit of DCA entrapment? :D

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Many Thanks for your help guys, so Il sign the papers and add a couple of false initials...if this did go to court would that affect the case if I did misrepresent my name? I dont want JDW to take advantage of my complete lack of knowledge on the law :confused:

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Many Thanks for your help guys, so Il sign the papers and add a couple of false initials...if this did go to court would that affect the case if I did misrepresent my name? I dont want JDW to take advantage of my complete lack of knowledge on the law :confused:

 

if they present a document with your"new" signature, how can that reflect on you? the signature on your CCA must be ligitimate, if the "new" signature appears on a CCA how exactly did they get it as obviously you didn't put it there?

 

Forgery is such an ugly word and in this day of technological advancement I would believe that it's only prudent to protect oneself from anyone who would carry out such an act

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Spamheed is right. Your signature can and does change over time why not choose right now to decide on a new style of signature (for one time only ;)) its entirely your right and not illegal in any way. Lifting that new style signature and pasting onto copy correspondence to try and trap you into paying a debt that may or may not be owed is pure fraud on their part. You may have tried to entrap them but they fell for it, tough.

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Hi All..ok Im about to send back the SAR request but they have also asked me for 1.00 for the CCA, however I already sent this to their in house collections agency and got back a copy which they had completed themselves and as such the account is now in dispute, should I refer to this in a cover letter to send back to them? Also in the meantime ive received a letter from the DCA (who I cca'd too) advising me that they have closed the account but wont remove the data...what should i do next after I send the SAR back to the OC?

 

Many Thanks as always guys

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ive drafted a cover letter so send to them can someone check this is ok for me please:

 

Dear Sir or Madam

Account number –

I am in receipt of your letter dated the 5th December, the contents of which have been noted.

I have completed the questionnaire and proof of identity form to enable you to complete the request. The sum of 10.00 required for this information was cashed by you on the 26th November 2008.

You have also requested that I send you 1.00 for a copy of the CCA as required by section 77/78 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974; however I have already made this request to "DCA name" on the 16th October and signed for on the 17th October 2008.

To date I have still not received a true copy of the agreement as required by S78 Consumer Credit Act 1974, just a blank copy of an agreement on which your company has hand printed my name. As such I can only assume that no contract was ever signed by me.

As no true copy of the CCA has been received within the guidelines of 12 + 2 working days the account is now in dispute and Default under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 – Failure to produce an agreement.

I look forward to receiving the information requested in the given timescales of 40 days.

 

Many Thanks as always guys :)

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If you are requesting the agreemant under your SAR request the £10 fee for that covers it, they have no right to ast for the £1 fee for a CCA request as you are not making one, they are playing games, as they do.

 

I have been at the point you are now, had letter saying they wont persue, but are still getting good old Reliable to send me threats once a week:rolleyes:

 

It laughable them asking for a sample signeture, just what are they going to compare it with?, the account was done on line, there was never anything signed except the delivery, which may be the only way they might have got a sample, but i doubt it:rolleyes:

 

It wont matter what you send to who, there is no reliable collections, its still JD williams pretending to be a DCA, and they wil refuse to remove any dtails claiming you dont meet the required reason in in sec 10 SS a)that continued proscessing will cause damage or destress.

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When I started this process I wrote to them all including the DCA they passed it onto..I got a letter back from them saying they had closed the account and no further correspondence will be sent..Ive sent them a LBA...should I continue to pursue that route? or once I get the SAR send JDW a LBA?

 

Thanks BAAB.

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