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    • Couldn't agree more, really wanted a true ruling on this just for the knowledge but pretty sure the Judge made some decisions today that he didn't need to?.. maybe they all go this way on the day? We hear back so few post court dates I'm not sure. Each Judge has some level of discretion. Their sol was another Junior not even working at their Firm, so couldn't speak directly for them! that was fortunate I think because if she would have rejected in court better, she might have  been able to force ruling, we are at that point!, everybody there!!, Judge basically said openly that he can see everything for Judgement!!!  but she just said "I can speak to the claimant and find out!" - creating the opportunity for me to accept. I really think the Judge did me a favor today by saying it without saying it. Knowing the rep for the sol couldn't really speak to the idea in the moment. Been to court twice in a fortnight, on both occasions heard 4 times with others and both of my claims, the clerk mention to one or both parties "Letting the Judge know if you want to have a quick chat with each other"! So, it appears there's an expectation of the court that there is one last attempt at settling before going through the door. So, not a Sol tactic, just Court process!. Judge was not happy we hadn't tried to settle outside! We couldn't because she went to the loo and the Judge called us in 10 minutes early! - another reason to stand down to allow that conv to happen. Stars aligned there for me I think. But yeh, if the sol themselves, or someone who can make decisions on the case were in court, I would have received a Judgement against today I think. She was an 'advocate'.. if I recall her intro to me correctly.. So verbal arguments can throw spanners in Court because Plinks dogs outsource their work and send a Junior advocate.
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here we go a email addy for ofcom and otelo

 

Home page | Ofcom or try these ppl Office of the Telecommunications Ombudsman - Home

 

failing both of them try these ppl.

BBC - Consumer - TV and radio let us know when so we can all complain.

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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here we go a email addy for ofcom and otelo

 

Home page | Ofcom or try these ppl Office of the Telecommunications Ombudsman - Home

 

failing both of them try these ppl.

BBC - Consumer - TV and radio let us know when so we can all complain.

 

 

Thank you for the links The GodMother

 

I will look into this account in the coming week

 

Onwards and Upwards

 

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Unfortunately Ofcom won't do anything - I've tried this with CapOne when my daughter was very ill and she was getting silent phone calls at 6.00 pm on a Sunday evening and after 9.00 pm in the weekend, both these times being outside of OFT guidelines. In the end I contacted TS at Nottinghamshire Council, I never heard anything from them but funnily enough the phone calls stopped.

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Thank you surprise,

 

I have actually got them to stop calling me finally but they will not remove my numbers fully from their system .... hence I will complain to a regulator.

 

 

Onwards and Upwards

 

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I think it does sound like a regulator complaint but you can always complain to TS in the area were they do business and ur ts it always makes good reading for them when they recieve the complaint.

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I am writing my death threat, sorry complaint letters, Any way all u need to do is copy and paste it sould save some time

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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OMG 50 thats far to many.

 

I would advise u go to the PO and get a bulk load of Postal order slips and a bulk load of envelopes.

 

then address each envelope and stick a label on them thats what i do when i have to deal with something.

OFT debt collection guidance

 

Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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yeah but still i thought that was the ORs job not urs

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I have about 50 letters to write or copy but I cant afford to send them all at once just because my OR hasn't got round to telling all my creditors I went BR almost a year ago :(

 

 

Hello babybear,

 

So you and I will be keeping Royal Mail busy for the next few weeks then!!:grin:

 

Onwards and Upwards

 

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i would complaint if i were you it is part of there job from what i know

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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Hello All,

 

Another 1st Credit gem........

 

Just had a real good look at their last letter that I received ..... They took many weeks to answer my complaint letter and obviously to "make it look good for them and to make out they were within their complaints procedure time scale" they back dated the letter ..... which I had realised but could not prove.

 

BUT just seen that where they put the date of writing on the next pages they obviously forgot that the first page had been back dated because the other pages have a date (the true date) which is seven days later (and I received the letter the next day) also on the statement enclosed they have printed the later (true) date ..... so yet again they have shot themselves in the foot He He.

 

Onwards and Upwards

 

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and the prize for trying to con ppl goes to

 

1st credit for trying to make it look like they replied within the correct time frame.

OFT debt collection guidance

 

Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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Hello All,

 

Another 1st Credit gem........

 

Just had a real good look at their last letter that I received ..... They took many weeks to answer my complaint letter and obviously to "make it look good for them and to make out they were within their complaints procedure time scale" they back dated the letter ..... which I had realised but could not prove.

 

BUT just seen that where they put the date of writing on the next pages they obviously forgot that the first page had been back dated because the other pages have a date (the true date) which is seven days later (and I received the letter the next day) also on the statement enclosed they have printed the later (true) date ..... so yet again they have shot themselves in the foot He He.

 

Onwards and Upwards

 

Chalkitup

 

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE:D

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It seems that Worst Cretins make a habit of this sort if thing.

 

This is from a recent letter I sent them:

 

You sent me, presumably in response to my request that you provide substantive evidence of the alleged debt, and under cover of an undated compliments slip, a computer printout headed “Account Breakdown”. This document shows my current address (and I can conclusively prove that [client] do not supply that address), and that your clients charged Court fees and costs on xxxx 2007, whilst the account balance was £0.00, some six months prior to the issue of the bill.

 

I am sure you will understand that I do not accept this example of administrative ineptitude to be acceptable proof of any debt; quite the contrary.

Two months later, they have not replied, and their client seems unable to explain either.
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lol SP

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

Essex girl in pc world looking 4 curtains 4 her pc,the assistant says u dont need curtains 4 a computer!!Essex girl says,''HELLOOO!! i,ve got WINDOWS!!'.

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Hello All,

 

Another 1st Credit gem........

 

Just had a real good look at their last letter that I received ..... They took many weeks to answer my complaint letter and obviously to "make it look good for them and to make out they were within their complaints procedure time scale" they back dated the letter ..... which I had realised but could not prove.

 

BUT just seen that where they put the date of writing on the next pages they obviously forgot that the first page had been back dated because the other pages have a date (the true date) which is seven days later (and I received the letter the next day) also on the statement enclosed they have printed the later (true) date ..... so yet again they have shot themselves in the foot He He.

 

Onwards and Upwards

 

Chalkitup

 

Classic...

 

Why am I not at all surprised? :D

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It seems that Worst Cretins make a habit of this sort if thing.

 

This is from a recent letter I sent them:

 

Two months later, they have not replied, and their client seems unable to explain either.

 

They don't do "big" words SP - obviously :rolleyes:

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