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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I received my first notice to pay £45 because I parked in a lidl's carpark last Saturday night, we were at a concert over the road, I think everyone parked there.

Am I right in thinking I ignore all the letters these people will send me even though they have photos of my registration.

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You might like to know that after sending a letter off to Athena ANPR contesting their outrageous parking "charge", composed using the helpful advice found here, I received a cancellation notice of the "charge" in the post.

 

So that's at least £45 quid saved thanks to the contributors on this site. Thanks everyone. I hope this encourages others to fight back.

 

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You might like to know that after sending a letter off to Athena ANPR contesting their outrageous parking "charge",... I received a cancellation notice of the "charge" in the post.

 

:jaw: omg! That is so rare. what did you do to deserve that?

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Who knows. It's not what I expected.

 

FYI here is the text I used:

 

Dear Sir,

 

Re: your letter dated 99th November, 2010. Reference 123456789

 

Thank you for your letter dated 99th November 2010.

 

It seems that you have got my details from the DVLA and I confirm I am the keeper of the vehicle in question. I request that you take this matter up with the driver of the vehicle at the time in question.

 

I absolutely deny your claim that the amount claimed, or any amount at all, is due to you from me.

 

I note your comments about debt collectors. Given that this debt is in dispute I shall simply advise them that the debt is in dispute and they will have to refer back to you.

 

Yours faithfully,

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Hi i got a letter on 27/4/11 stating that my vehicle over stayed...

I ignored this and now have another letter stating that this is a final reminder for payment and if not paid this will be past over to debt collectors.

Shall i do the same as before with this letter?

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Hi all i received this a few days ago..? I still have made no contact with the company at all just been listening to you guys.. But on this letter it says it'll be passed to debt collectors..? Any advice

 

For "debt collectors" substitute the words "tea boy" and it is just about the same effect. (actually it probably is the same person really!) :)

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Hi all i received this a few days ago..? I still have made no contact with the company at all just been listening to you guys.. But on this letter it says it'll be passed to debt-collectors..? Any advice

 

 

Yep. Everyone gets this letter, here it is again, snap! (very common, this is not mine BTW):

 

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m604/FTPPCs/AthenaLetter3-1.jpg

 

It's a standard computerised template threatogram. Ignore it.

 

Google the words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and the result will show you pictures of Athena's whole letter-chain, that's where I got the above picture from. Then you will know what to ignore next, pathetic rubbishy letters from LRC unless they have changed their debt-collector recently.

 

Debt-collectors are just pen pushers, they cannot send the boys round nor affect your credit rating as there is no credit agreement involved. Nothing happens, it's bothersome but that's it, like ignoring annoying phishing emails.

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Thank you, Will take your advice. Who are the appropriate authorities for complaint under Consumer Credit Act?

 

Trading Standards and the OFT are the best two.

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Hi all i also received a LRC letter today saying outstanding amount is £115 and need to be paid by monday 25th july otherwise court proceedings will start with no further reference to me etc etc... Also says at the bottom in bold PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE

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M Drew Have you a debt to pay? No you just got a speculative invoice wait till you have had the rest of the letters including the last chance before court action you may get several of these and then it will all go quiet having contacted them you may get more than the usual run of letters Ignore everything unless you actually get a county court summons or win the lottery which is more likely

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Hi all. A friend has received his first "Civil parking charge notice" from Athena ANPR. I have been researching and came across this site packed with great information.

I can see a lot of people say just ignore.

Is there anyone here who is no longer recieving letters by ignoring them and if so how long did it take for them to leave you be?

Also, has ANYONE been taken to court or had a CCJ imposed because of a civil parking charge imposed by Athena ANPR?

I would greatly appreciate answers from people that have been through this process before I give any advice.

 

Many thanks in advance

Paul

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Hi all. A friend has received his first "Civil parking charge notice" from Athena ANPR. I have been researching and came across this site packed with great information.

I can see a lot of people say just ignore.

Is there anyone here who is no longer recieving letters by ignoring them and if so how long did it take for them to leave you be?

Also, has ANYONE been taken to court or had a CCJ imposed because of a civil parking charge imposed by Athena ANPR?

I would greatly appreciate answers from people that have been through this process before I give any advice.

 

Many thanks in advance

Paul

 

Hello Paul. You should find all the information you need from reading around this forum.

 

PPCs don't do court and on the rare occasions when they try, it regularly goes wrong.

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Trust me just ignore it i have not heard anything since the last msg i posted i have had about 4-5 letters in total there a load of money grabbing [edit] [edit] searching for the weak ones that pay straight away :mad2:

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I am so glad I found this site..! After reading majority of the posts I intend to email them (as the Notice had an email address)

 

 

I have received your letter regarding the overstay parking fee/invoice at Lidl – not Waitrose – Lidl. After contacting the Consumer Action Group I will not pay this extortion amount. If you decide to send me letters from legal recoveries and debt collection companies or possible court proceeding letters I will choose to ignore them. I have not broken any laws and therefore will not accept to pay your unlawful fine.

 

Your reminder letters in red, blue or black will not provoke me to pay towards your fee/invoice.

 

I will not be appealing.

 

In the meantime I will be contacting Birmingham Trading Standards in relation to your inappropriate parking charge.

 

Regards

 

What do you think??

 

 

Send some a letter something like... just remember to edit to suit your requirements.

 

 

 

 

Don't admit to anyone who was driving the vehicle, unless of course it is a different matter.

 

Hopefully someone else will come along to add some input too.

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