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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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OK, you sent the court a letter, but did you file a defence? This is very important.

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No, you have 14 days from filing acknowledgement of service to file your defence - even if this is only an "embarrassed" defence that you cannot file a full defence as BC did not disclose under CPR section 18.

 

You present your defence at a hearing, but have to submit it - that is why they have managed to obtain judgement by default.

 

I'm going to re-read your thread and see if I can help you apply for a set-aside of the CCJ.

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I've asked PT237 to have a look once he gets on-line.

 

In the meantime, i personally think you may have a good case for a set-aside on the grounds that BC did not comply with your request under CPR section 18 and so you could not submit a defence. The courts may question why you did not submit an "embarrassed" defence but as you are a layperson, may be favourable to you.

 

Did you report BC to the law society or the court for this action?

 

Once a legal bod comes along to discuss the aspects of law (which is what I feel you now need at this point in time) you may get more comprehensive advice on how to proceed.

 

In the meantime, try not to stress and be assured you'll be getting some help soon.

 

Tigs xxx

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Roger. Call me cynical but it would appear that Mr Carter wiped your eye by telling you the account was on hold and then sneaking a default judgement through. What you need to do now is first of all get the CCJ set aside on the grounds that you were not informed of the court date. Send the court a copy of BCs letter. You also need to send the details of BCs tricks to the Society of Solicitors as he is very wrong for only getting a CCJ for his costs.

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Hi, this is in reference to my other thread currently ongoing........

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/137702-updated-phoenix-nightmare-carters.html

 

Carters took me to court for their "fee's" on a debt then Phoenix (allegedly) passed the same debt to EOS Solutions at exactly the same time as Carters wrote to me with court claim form. EOS wrote to me at the same time saying the debt had been passed to them by Phoenix. Obviously i sent Carters a CPR for the account, since then and the ongoing claim against us we have heard nothing at all from EOS. Carters are now still trying to claim for the full account (debt), even though the court claim for their fee's went against us !!!!! Who is actually chasing for this debt i have no idea, was it passed on or are Carters/EOS/Phoenix all the same ?

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This is my reply to an earlier thread about this despicable Carter

 

Carter is in breach of the Solicitors' code by going for his fees. This means he is putting HIS needs before the needs of his client. This is ABSOLUTELY not allowed, but he seems to be greedy, and doesn't appear to want to operate within the law. He is a DISGRACE to the legal profession. Please ensure that the Solicitors' Regulation Authority is made aware of this despicable and unlawful practice

I am a lawyer, but I am an academic lawyer. I do not practice as a barrister or solicitor. You should consult a practising Solicitor BEFORE taking any Court or other action

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2 threads merged. Please stick to one thread per topic, thanks.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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This is my reply to an earlier thread about this despicable Carter

 

Carter is in breach of the Solicitors' code by going for his fees. This means he is putting HIS needs before the needs of his client. This is ABSOLUTELY not allowed, but he seems to be greedy, and doesn't appear to want to operate within the law. He is a DISGRACE to the legal profession. Please ensure that the Solicitors' Regulation Authority is made aware of this despicable and unlawful practice

 

 

Here Here Rameses,

 

I have seen this "cost only" claim at first hand also and totally agree with your anaylsis of this so called Law Practice, I wonder if there is anything as group on here that can do a mass complaint to the SRA signed by CAG members ???

 

BB

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It beggars belief that this guy is getting away with this !!

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I agree whole heartedly with you and rameses, this carter guy is making a total mockery of the legal system , and getting away with it.

 

I blame all the other members of his profession, by that i mean solicitors, barristers, judges.

 

I simply don't accept that they don't know whats going on, and if they don't stand up and do something about him, then they are as bad as he is IMHO.

 

If the status quo prevails, we are all stuffed, because others will follow, just as soon as they realise that he is getting away with it, without protest.

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I got a reply from the SRA today, it has been passed to their legal complaints and i am contacting them by phone tomorrow to discuss and make a full complaint.

 

Something needs doing now about this type of practice. I'm lucky i have this forum to help but others don't and just fall victim to these tactics causing untold stress and heartache.

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Hi All.

 

I have tonight emailed the SRA with this as an attachtment explaining why I think they should take some action with BC

 

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

I thank you for your letter dated 02 May 2008 regarding the “Discontinuance” of the above numbered case.

 

With regard to the above case could now please confirm that this matter is now at a close, and that you will no longer be pursuing me for any financial settlement of the above case, nor its remaining balance that you did not attempt to bring into particulars of claim.

 

I have on two occasions now asked you for information, namely a request for the executed agreement for which you raised the above claim, under s77 and s 78 of the Consumer Credit Act, dated 14 April 2008 which has been signed for by your office, and a further request made under the Civil Procedure Rules, this being dated 24 April 2008, and signed for again at your office. It has been noted that you have declined to acknowledge either communication for what reason only known to yourselves.

 

Point 4 of the latter request asks you for a copy of your complaints procedure, which I still insist that you send me as a matter of urgency.

 

The issues that I feel you should address within this case are specific to s35 of the County Courts Act 1984 where it is unlawful to split “Cause of Action” and I would therefore seek your assurance that as a firm of Solicitors monitored by the Solicitors Regulatory Authority that this was unjust, and in hindsight a mistake by a junior member of your team, who has been duly disciplined. I am also looking to claim the costs incurred to which I am entitled, which I will notify you at later date. I am in no doubt that if these points are not answered in a satisfactory manner, then I will have no choice but to raise the issue as an official complaint with the above named regulatory body.

 

Other options are open to me namely the “Financial Services Ombudsman” and the “Law Society” would also be interested to ask the same questions as I have regarding this case and I am sure I would not be the only case of this kind dealt with by yourselves.

 

I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.

 

I await your rapid response.

 

Appologies if you have seen this before !!!

 

 

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UPDATE...................

 

Went to court and the CCJ has now been Set aside with immediate effect. Carters didn't even turn up. End of the matter for now. Never ever give up is my advice , especially when you are being clearly stitched up!!.

 

I am now going to have a well deserved pint.:)

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UPDATE...................

 

Went to court and the CCJ has now been Set aside with immediate effect. Carters didn't even turn up. End of the matter for now. Never ever give up is my advice , especially when you are being clearly stitched up!!.

 

I am now going to have a well deserved pint.:)

 

 

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