Yes, it has to in in by Friday 25th for a hearing in Jan.

Thanks CX 100uk, that’s great thank you. I’m at the witness statement stage now. But just to clarify I can use same level court hearing summaries?

I didn’t think I’d need to as it’s a generic question re the court hierarchy and using same level county court judgement summaries in the county court? I’m not looking for advice at this stage I’m just getting my ducks in a row.

I’m starting to collate a witness statement for a parking charge hearing and just need some clarification on the bundle documents. With the references to case law, do I need to include the whole judgement summary or just a copy of the relevant section contained within it. I understand the courts hierarchy so it’s reference other county court examples of strike outs by a district judge? Thank you.

Hi quick follow up I’ve placed the defence and completed the DQs and wondered if anyone had any case law or specific quotes for the consideration period and the grace period that allows the 15 mins combined. We've not got a hearing date yet but I’m just getting all my ducks in a row. I’ve got the BPA code of practice and the .gov Parking Code of Practice, which nicely shows a matrix of suitable times, along a nice local news article related to the difficulty parking in that car park where it took the journalist 20 mins to park and another 20 mins to get out? I’m okay with the court protocol just needing additional reference points around the initial consideration and Grace periods before I move onto contract between parties , signage ( which looks compliant) and other aspects. I don’t for one minute think this will get to a hearing but just trying to get as much prep done now to save my time as this is for a friend and I’ve got a long vacation planned later this year and Sods Law says that’s when it’ll come in… Thanks..

Thanks for the replies. Interestingly when I looking at the car park notices and their positions etc I did see a very large private lorry loading some goods and also parked in such away as to block about 4 cars from getting out their places, I can’t get the defence down to three lines…is there a link for this please?

Date of the infringement 21/12/2020 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 29/12/2020 3 Date received Not Known. 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? Yes 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? No 6 Have you appealed? No Have you had a response? N/A 7 Who is the parking company? U.K. Parking Control Ltd 8. Where exactly Taunton Retail Park, Hankridge way, Taunton TA12LR For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Yes POPLA If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here- MCOL Summons, Copy attached with NTK PDF. Edited docs now attached. claimform+NTK.pdf

Thanks for the fast response. I looked at the sticky but he’s not kept any of the notices and just ignored them until now when he’s received the Northampton claim. I will complete what I know and upload anonymous claim form will that be sufficient? .

Hi, I haven’t used this forum for ages but it helped me loads in the past. Im now helping an elderly friend who’s ignored a parking charge notice and now has a CC online claim against him from U.K. Parking Control Ltd. Regardless of rights and wrongs he was 13 minutes over the limit. At the time he was infirm waiting to go into hospital for an operation and various friends and neighbours, used his car to do his shopping. He’s unable to confirm if he was driving. I understand they will need to prove he was driving and if so he was aware of the contractual terms, so I get the points regarding the defence but as I haven’t done anything like this for years I would appreciate a little help in positioning a holding defence and also the time lines involved. The issue date is 13th May, I believe service is 5 days so that’s 18th . Acknowledgment is 1st June and defence by 14th June ( I’m just checking I’ve got these right, anyway we’ve filed acknowledgement so here we go. I’ve looked to see if there are defence templates but can’t see anything appropriate so any help would be welcome. Thank you

Sorry, I'm not being evasive. It's an old MBNA CC debt that's now owned by Cabot, I have a copy of the original agreement which I obtained from MBNA about 10 years ago and there are no prescribed terms so it can't be enforced by the court. I entered into an agreement to make payments and have made these for the last 6/7 years every month with out fail and ignore any correspondence from them to review, This letter is a little different because it gave me 14 days to call them or they would instruct a solicitor ( in-house paralegal I expect) to pursue the debt. My question was to see if these letters lead anywhere or just fizzle out as most do. I am aware that once you reply or answer a call then it triggers you to the top of their " pester" list, however, if they push this across to their legal dept i may need help to compose a suitable letter. B

Yes, I am not a won't pay just a can't pay.

Hi Andy Thanks, I'm not too fussed about the claim as I've dealt with them before, albeit a few years ago and it was just a feeler to see if these letters get followed up so i could prepare myself. I had the letter a couple of weeks ago and they put a 14 day deadline on it. The debts under £2k so I feel it may be just blustering to get me to call and agree a higher monthly payment. The irony is I'm not really much better off than when we agreed it 6/7 years ago, so I could call them and go through the rigmaroll of the income and expenditure, its just that i dont see why I should. B

Hi I haven't been here for a while and therefore a little out of touch with current practice. Thanks to the help of CAG I managed to win my battles with DCAs quite a few years ago. I have an old credit card debt which is off my credit file and owned by Cabot and for 6/7 years have paid them a nominal amount each month. They send the odd letter asking me to up the payment but I never respond as these are computer generated and I prefer to let sleeping dogs lay. Just had one threatening potential legal action if I don't contact them. I just wondered if they every follow through or if this is best ignored. They don't stand a cat in hells chance of a CCJ as its an old CCA agreement without prescribed terms, however, I do acknowledged the debt and I am making payments. Just interested to know if anyone's had one these and whether they do follow up? Thanks B.

Hey that's interesting is that a fact. If the debt is off the credit file it can be put back on?

Sorry my assumption is they can report to CRAs using the same default date. I edited the post above before I saw your reply ....the statute bared will be later because I made payments after default. If debt is not on your files now it can't be put back.

Yes default date is Oct so falls off file then. It's actually come off from the credit file since the last one I looked at and I assume will re appear with these clowns.....the SB will be later because I attempted to make payments following default for about a year.

Yes nothing showing there yet although the default was nearly six years ago so all they could do would be show that date

Haven't been on here for ages and most of my accounts are dropping off the credit files. Just had a letter out the blue from Arrow to say they have taken assignment from Phoenix for one that’s got a couple of months to go don’t think its statute bared for a year or so. I thought all these fun and games had finished years ago however just want to be prepared as I know these are the lower life of the DCA world. Has anyone had a similar situation and what’s their letter process? I can challenge this quite easily and if it went to Northampton would get to local court as I have kept all my correspondence and have a letter to say they cant pursue however just want to get prepared and who knows maybe have a little fun.Berty

What's the legal basis for this?

Actually s61 says the word contained for the PTs and that the T&Cs must be embodied The words contained and embodied are clarified in Goodes Consumer Credit Law and Practice volume 2, 2B 5.121 and I have used this twice to win my own personal case admitidly prior to Carey but I would still be confident of this as a legal argument along with Hustanger and Wilson v FCT Admittedly this was a county court case but this worth quoting IN the Leeds County Court Mitchell V RBS Judge Langan said In my judgment, the point with which I have just been dealing is not properly to be characterised as a new point on which the bank can present itself as being taken by surprise. I refer to four documents. First, on 3rd November 2008, when the defendant was acting as a litigant in person, in the request to have the default judgment set aside he said this: 'As the court is aware, in the absence of all the prescribed terms being embodied, it will render a document unenforceable in court. These terms must be contained within the agreement, and not in a separate document headed 'Terms and Conditions', or words to that effect' PS: PT provided me with the Goode reference and guidance when I was in court with 1st Credit & Marlin ...long time ago I know but I am sure still relevant.

Just going back to the SAR question if they are not able to provide a copy of the original doc or its too much " disproportionate" effort ( aren't they all!) they can provide the raw data This is what they use to get out of providing it. This is DPA 1998 s 8(2)

Just a quick point if you are going to send them a prove it letter ( I personally wouldn't ) what ever you do don't send a s.78 request with a cheque for the £1 as this could be put on file as a payment and start the clock ticking again, its a common DCA trick.

Jameson:- one of the SAR loopholes is they can just provide the raw data rather than the copies of letters if these are not on file or easily obtainable Its in section 7 of the DPA and this is from section 8

You know 127(3) backed up by Wilson v Hurstanger and Wilson V FCT is a very strong legal argument and if presented correctly should be a robust defence against any enforcement without a signed agreement. Part of the issue is how to present a strong legal argument as relying on the Wakesman judgement as an argument in your favour is always going to be hard work.

Bit late now I know but did you present 127(3) backed up by Wilson v Hurstanger and Wilson v FCT which is from a higher court?