Parking on School Yellow Zigzag lines

[Hungrydoug]

 

I am not blocking any thing or putting children at risk.

 

 

 

 

When a child runs out from behind your car and gets run over because the driver didn't see them, then remember to say this! I've stood outside a number of schools where I've had to install the keep clear marking and always been amazed at how many children just run into the road, nowhere near the school gates.

 

I wish you good luck trying to get your ticket overturned if you feel it is unfair.

 

*runs for cover*

[Guest louis wu]

When a child runs out from behind your car and gets run over because the driver didn't see them, then remember to say this! I've stood outside a number of schools where I've had to install the keep clear marking and always been amazed at how many children just run into the road, nowhere near the school gates.

 

 

well said

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

When a child runs out from behind your car and gets run over because the driver didn't see them, then remember to say this! I've stood outside a number of schools where I've had to install the keep clear marking and always been amazed at how many children just run into the road, nowhere near the school gates.

 

I wish you good luck trying to get your ticket overturned if you feel it is unfair.

 

*runs for cover*

 

well said

 

These are perfectly valid points.

 

But in my view we are not here to make moral or ethical judgments.

 

If this PCN has been unlawfully issued or the enforcement process is being administered unlawfully then the OP is entitled to have it cancelled. This applies whatever our personal views of the reprehensibility of the alleged contravention.

[Guest louis wu]

These are perfectly valid points.

 

But in my view we are not here to make moral or ethical judgments.

 

If this PCN has been unlawfully issued or the enforcement process is being administered unlawfully then the OP is entitled to have it cancelled. This applies whatever our personal views of the reprehensibility of the alleged contravention.

 

 

I totally agree.

 

If, however, the PCN is cancelled, then I think it's important to ensure the OP thinks twice about parking there again. After all, surely nothing is more important than the safety of the children.

 

louis

[NASLAM968]

I totally agree.

 

If, however, the PCN is cancelled, then I think it's important to ensure the OP thinks twice about parking there again. After all, surely nothing is more important than the safety of the children.

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Surely nobody wants to harm children, when I said, I park toward the end of yellow zigzag I truly mean towards the end and I have two of my own children, care and love I have for my own children I care same way about other people's children because I don't want any harm to any of the children either mine or any body else. Children’s are very precious to me and I believe they are to all parents.

[BADGER 69]

I totally agree.

 

If, however, the PCN is cancelled, then I think it's important to ensure the OP thinks twice about parking there again. After all, surely nothing is more important than the safety of the children.

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Surely nobody wants to harm children, when I said, I park toward the end of yellow zigzag I truly mean towards the end and I have two of my own children, care and love I have for my own children I care same way about other people's children because I don't want any harm to any of the children either mine or any body else. Children’s are very precious to me and I believe they are to all parents.

 

So! You think that you know better that the local authority as to what is a safe distance from the school entrance to allow car parking.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

So! You think that you know better that the local authority as to what is a safe distance from the school entrance to allow car parking.

 

Oh come on!

 

I bet there have been times "when you knew better" than the authorities about the maximum safe speed to travel at and exceeded the speed limit. That is more serious and is also a criminal matter.

 

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

[NASLAM968]

 

Oh come on!

 

I bet there have been times "when you knew better" than the authorities about the maximum safe speed to travel at and exceeded the speed limit. That is more serious and is also a criminal matter.

 

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

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Very well put, and by the way authorities are same as us human who think like us and made decision like us and we can think the same way or some time better. Don't you feel at some point that authority’s logic is wrong or wrongly applied? I am not saying the yellow zigzags are wrong or children safety is not a concern here, of course there safety is first priority. If the penalty ticket is correctly served than I will pay because I am at fault but if it hasn't been done correctly than I should not pay. Also I presented the mitigating circumstances which they should accept, but they have been rejected and been ask to pay £50.00 which I don't have and later increased to £100.00. I even asked that we can come to some kind of payment plan so I can pay in small figure but council is not interested at this point.

[BADGER 69]

 

Oh come on!

 

I bet there have been times "when you knew better" than the authorities about the maximum safe speed to travel at and exceeded the speed limit. That is more serious and is also a criminal matter.

 

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

 

You can come on as much as you like. I never park where is prohibited and I never speed. It is not necessary at my age. I have never been stopped for speeding,or anything else. The rules are there for a purpose and signs are not Christmas decorations. I have seen too many accidents to think that I'm invincible.

When I was a driving instructor I used to tell my pupils that accidents are the collusion of two idiots as accidents are very rarely entirely the fault of one individual. Having said that I also used to say that if all drivers only made one mistake a month that would mean that there will be a lot of mistakes.

[raydetinu]

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Surely nobody wants to harm children, when I said, I park toward the end of yellow zigzag I truly mean towards the end and I have two of my own children, care and love I have for my own children I care same way about other people's children because I don't want any harm to any of the children either mine or any body else. Children’s are very precious to me and I believe they are to all parents.

 

Youve been caught out, the ticket is a deterant and warning to not park there again. fair cop in my opinion!

[tomterm8]

Youve been caught out, the ticket is a deterant and warning to not park there again. fair cop in my opinion!

 

If there is no TRO, then the markings on the road have the legal status of graffiti, and were placed there entirely unlawfully. Everyone has the right to a defence in law, and if councils don't follow proper procedures, then the consequences are entirely of their own making.

[raydetinu]

Tomterm8, you are missing the point in this instance, safety is paramount.

It would not matter if the school had painted the lines or the parents. the lines are there for a perfectly good reason.

You must not blindly say - look for a legal loophole in all cases when they are indefenceable morally. Safety is at stake here. not just parking restrictions for the sake of it. If you cant see the difference then you are not thinking about what you are doing or saying and just being a robot and churning out the same response time and again. You should MODERATE your responses and advise where appropriate.

Would you be so quick to point out that there could be a problem with the legality of the zig zags if someone had been injured through thoughtless parking. I sincerely hope not!

[Guest louis wu]

A very quick google search brings up many examples of zigzag parking and the dangers/concerns that it brings.

 

 

I wonder what the excuses were on this occaision....bet there weren't many stones being thrown:mad:

Evening Times: News

 

 

January Newsletters

This is the important bit

Parking

Zigzags

Despite numerous reminders some parents are still parking on clearly marked ‘no parking zigzags’. This is obviously very dangerous and in fact one child was knocked down at a local school recently when a car parked inappropriately. Could the owner of the car registration P904 MBA and a few others please take note!

 

 

There are many more, but I think you get the message. This is not about the validity, or not, of your ticket, but please do not try to take the moral high ground on this subject. Parking on zigzags, outside a school is irresponsible and dangerous, just imagine how you would feel if this was the cause of death of one of your children.

 

 

[Guest louis wu]

 

Oh come on!

 

I bet there have been times "when you knew better" than the authorities about the maximum safe speed to travel at and exceeded the speed limit. That is more serious and is also a criminal matter.

 

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

 

 

Are you comfortable with cars being parked on the zigzags outside a school when the children are entering/exiting the gates?

 

Simple question...yes or no answer

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

 

 

Are you comfortable with cars being parked on the zigzags outside a school when the children are entering/exiting the gates?

 

Simple question...yes or no answer

 

No I'm not.

 

But show me where the OP says "children are entering/exiting the gates"?

 

It is a basic principle of the law of the land that those who are accused of something are entitled to defend themselves. Give that up and where will it stop?

[Guest louis wu]

 

No I'm not.

It's a shame the Op doesn't share your view

 

But show me where the OP says "children are entering/exiting the gates"?

The OP states that 'I park towards the end of the zigzag'. This indicates it's a regular occurance, which considering he/she has children strongly suggests it's at school start/finishing times.

 

It is a basic principle of the law of the land that those who are accused of something are entitled to defend themselves. Give that up and where will it stop?

As previously stated,I couldn't agree more

 

 

My concern is that if the Op gets this PCN cancelled, then he/she will park on the zigzags on every occaision the kids get dropped off or picked up. He/she appears to have no idea of the dangers they are causing with this irresponsible parking...something I am VERY uncomfortable with.

 

 

EDIT

By the way, I have no argument with your posts, and i apprecaiate your straight answers.

 

louis

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

Louis Wu,

 

I think you are making too many assumptions here. You may well be right but they are assumptions that I don't think it is safe to make.

 

What you may not know is that both Pat Davies and I, who both responded to the OP in a perfectly constructive way are school governors (Pat has isclosed this on another thread so I am giving nothing away).

 

Both of us would condemn behaviour that puts children at unnecessary risk.

 

For my part what I am not prepared to do is to be unjustifiably judgmental. If you want to be that's fine by me.

[tomterm8]

Tomterm8, you are missing the point in this instance, safety is paramount.

It would not matter if the school had painted the lines or the parents. the lines are there for a perfectly good reason.

You must not blindly say - look for a legal loophole in all cases when they are indefenceable morally. Safety is at stake here. not just parking restrictions for the sake of it. If you cant see the difference then you are not thinking about what you are doing or saying and just being a robot and churning out the same response time and again. You should MODERATE your responses and advise where appropriate.

Would you be so quick to point out that there could be a problem with the legality of the zig zags if someone had been injured through thoughtless parking. I sincerely hope not!

 

No, actually, in this instance we have a parking contravention. If the council has not gone through the proper process then they are simply not entitled to the OP's money.

 

I believe in due process, and abiding by the law. If the council has obeyed their legal duty, then there is no doubt the OP will have to pay the penalty charge. If they haven't the OP is entirely entitled to appeal it.

 

If the OP was endangering life, then entirely the wrong penalty has been awarded. There are numerous offences that would be applicable in those circumstances.

[Guest louis wu]

I think you are making too many assumptions here. You may well be right but they are assumptions that I don't think it is safe to make.

Do you agree that the OP should not (when the children are entering/exiting the school) park on the zigzags again?

 

What you may not know is that both Pat Davies and I, who both responded to the OP in a perfectly constructive way are school governors (Pat has isclosed this on another thread so I am giving nothing away).

Irrelevant. Are school governers more concerned than other people? I wonder if they are more concerned than the parents of the children being put at risk by this irresponsible act. Is it not constructive to consider the long term safety of the children

 

Both of us would condemn behaviour that puts children at unnecessary risk.

And the subject matter of this thread does, as previously acknowledged.

Naslam, what was the time this PCN was issued? Was you picking up or dropping off your kids at the time?

 

 

Do you park on the zigzags (when the children are entering/exiting school) on a regular basis, or was this the first time you have ever done it?

 

 

If the PCN is cancelled, will you park on the zigzags again?

 

 

 

You do not of course have to answer these questions, but they would be interesting to know. I am sure there are school governers, head teachers, teachers, classroom assistants, parents, lollipop men/women etc pulling their hair out on a daily basis because of people parking on zigzags, and one less person doing it is a step in the right direction to eliminate it altogether.

[Michael Browne]

I live in a CPZ opposite a school with zig-zags outside the entrance. Yet every day dozens of parents drop/collect their children on the zig-zags, rather than park for 2 minutes on a resident bay. Seems they'd rather risk children's lives and a PCN than just a PCN.

 

It's ironic, since the resident's bay do not have the prescribed markings and therefore the only place where a ticket would be upheld on appeal is on the zig-zags

[BADGER 69]

 

 

Are you comfortable with cars being parked on the zigzags outside a school when the children are entering/ exiting the gates?

 

Simple question... yes or no answer

 

I'm afraid you have the quotes mixed up. This is not my posting.

[BADGER 69]

 

I'm afraid you have the quotes mixed up. This is not my posting.

 

 

I'm sure that when I saw this first it was accredited to me. Rechecked. It was.

[Guest louis wu]

I have no idea what is going on with the quotes

 

Are you comfortable with cars being parked on the zigzags outside a school when the children are entering/ exiting the gates?

 

Simple question... yes or no answer

 

was writen by me

 

 

I'm afraid you have the quotes mixed up. This is not my posting.

this wasn't

[BADGER 69]

Hi Louis Wu.

See your post yesterday 22. 12. It credits me with that posting and i didn't make it.

[Hungrydoug]

These are perfectly valid points.

 

But in my view we are not here to make moral or ethical judgments.

 

If this PCN has been unlawfully issued or the enforcement process is being administered unlawfully then the OP is entitled to have it cancelled. This applies whatever our personal views of the reprehensibility of the alleged contravention.

 

I agree too, if my comment sounded judgemental then it wasn't meant to be, which is exactly why I wished the OP luck in finding out if a TRO exists etc.

 

It was meant to nudge the OP to park beyond the zig zag lines and not on them.