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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hello all

 

I did the cardinal sin and bought a car from eBay in mid-December, without viewing it first and trusted the description and feedback of the seller - which was 100% at the time.

 

Once I picked the car up the following faults were discovered: both wheel bearings were gone (someone had punched holes through the outer covers so they letter water in and grease out), exhaust back box was blown, spare wheel carrier is rotten through, front suspension bushes and ball joints worn and knocking heavily.

 

He had described some some surface rust, which is fine and can be repaired, but today I started fixing the bushes and discovered rust under the front sill I picked away at this and it is now a dirty rotten hole.

 

The car was MOT'd in August 2007, and I fail to see how it passed.

 

Please can someone advise me what my rights are on this. I'm furious and feel duped. Here is a link to the description: 1997 R REGISTRATION FORD KA 2 MAUVE/PURPLE 3 DOOR HATCH on eBay, also, Ford, Cars, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 18-Dec-07 20:15:00 GMT)

 

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By the sound of it the car had been M.O.T'ed 5 months earlier - a lot can happen in 5 months!,wheel bearings are just normal wear and tear,you would'nt know if you had a wheel bearing problem unless it was roaring at you whilst on the move but someone inspecting the car whilst off the ground would feel a slight movement or small noise from it.rust - can be anywhere and is par for the course on a second hand car.Did the seller advertise the car as "as good as new" or "in virtually brand new condition"?.Did the seller also advertise the car,mentioning all the points you've a problem with as in good condition?.Why did you not inspect the car - i'd imagine your answer will be " i live too far away" or "i did'nt have time".I personally,don't think you've a leg to stand on,unfortunately you should have inspected and viewed it - you did (i would imagine!) have the opportunity to?.Sorry to sound a little negative but i have sold a vehicle on E-Bay,i described it to the best of my knowledge,the buyer came around and i allowed him to test drive (should'nt have done really as in any auction all viewing testing has to be done before the end of the auction!.) ,he asked where the nearest cashpoint was and disappeared into the sunset never to be seen again,resulting in my wasted money listing it and my wasted time:mad:

 

I guess the lesson here is to never buy a vehicle unseen!.

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I completely agree. It's not the norm for me to ever do anything like this. I always look at cars first.

 

The wheel bearings I agree with, but sills don't rot through to that extent in such a time, not do bushes decay to the state they are in. There is no way it would have passed it's MOT in August. None.

 

The worst thing is that I've been in the trade for a number of years, hence why I feel like such a prize pillock now.

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I think you can go to the VOSA/MOT website and report it if you think an M.O.T is a bit moody,and i believe they investigate reasonably thoroughly.P.S i did'nt realise when i posted that you bought from a dealer,unfortunately though ( i believe!) its still seen as a "Trade,sold as seen" deal if its through an auction though i could be wrong.Good luck!.

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if you look at the ebay listing it does say down the bottom CLAIMING there are no noises, I would print it ALL off and see what TS would say about it. whilst you should of test drove it i agree BUT there might be sommit in the distant selling regs that could poss help

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you have loads of rights to fall back on sold as seen is not a recognized legal term it has no basis to cover the dealer the sale of goods act states the goods must be fit for purporse even a second hand car is covered by this the only way they could sell a car what is knackered to use laymans terms is to sell it for spares or repair

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This is a used car - R reg - 11 years old and you bought it for less that a thousand pounds.

 

What are you really expecting here? if you wish to avoid all of the problems you seem to have try visiting a Ford dealership and purchase a brand new one for £8500 .

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This is a used car - R reg - 11 years old and you bought it for less that a thousand pounds.

 

What are you really expecting here? if you wish to avoid all of the problems you seem to have try visiting a Ford dealership and purchase a brand new one for £8500 .

 

BE a little sensitive please, we have ALL made mistakes of one nature or another. CAG is here to help not to condone people!

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Thanks guys.

 

Has anyone got a decent letter I can send to the trader...

 

I have also notice he has started trading under a second eBay ID.

 

have you complained to ebay yet? at the end of the day the item sold did NOT match the decription, whilst yes bearings can go fairly quickly, bushes don't. the prob here is the person who MOT'd the car, it is down to thier personal view if it passes or fails, NOW it this place is a garage that sells cars they will only use 1 garage to do their mot's (cut price) on that point speak to VOSA (back of mot cert)

 

other thing is i assume this was paid for by paypal, can you not claim it back via paypal? buyer/seller protection thing they have.

 

these are couple simple things to look into. you need to start from the bottom and work your way up. ie if you contacted TS they would tell you to contact place where u got car from 1st, you can't unfortunatly jump the gun.

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This is a used car - R reg - 11 years old and you bought it for less that a thousand pounds.

 

What are you really expecting here? if you wish to avoid all of the problems you seem to have try visiting a Ford dealership and purchase a brand new one for £8500 .

 

All I expect is for the description to be accurate. I don't expect to be mis-lead

 

If I had £8,500 I would buy a decent car.

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Why did you pay in full, most you should pay at the end of the auction is 10% then the rest on collection after inspection. If you find faults that were not declared then you you negotiate a reduction.

I have bought and sold a few vehicles on Ebay. the best way to buy is not to pay anything at all untill you have seen it, then haggle! or see the car before bidding if you can.

As for selling get as much paid up front as possible, people will still try and knock you down even though they got a bargain.

Its the same as real auction. let the buyer beware! caveat emptor.

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"I have bought and sold a few vehicles on Ebay. the best way to buy is not to pay anything at all untill you have seen it, then haggle!"

E-Bay is an auction site,not a car sales lot,your winning bid is legally binding ,the advice given above is why E-Bay is getting a bad name.If i sell a car on there i will always want a deposit (£50) from the winning bidder - it makes sure they complete the deal!,i always invite bidders to come and view BEFORE bidding - i don't care if a bidder lives 200 miles away and say they can't come and view -bid on somethin closer!!.I bet the OP of the above advice would get the right hump if he sold a car on there and the buyer then tried to "haggle" on pick up.:o

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As stated above, sold as seen has no standing against your consumer rights. That said, a dealer selling a vehicle has a legal obligation to ensure that the car is roadworthy prior to sale. If there is anything on the car that makes it unroadworthy then the seller has a duty to correct it or refund the full cost of the vehicle.

 

Read the link to Trading Standards carefully , it gives a lot of good information, such as:

 

Internet auctions

Most Internet auctions only provide the site for the auctions to be held and, therefore, are not generally liable for the goods bought and sold. It is preferable to check the terms and conditions of the website for full details.

You have the same basic rights against a trader as you do with any other purchase, although auction sales are exempt from the Distance Selling Regulations. You should also take note that your statutory rights cannot be excluded when buying from a trader through an Internet auction

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Why did you give him a 'positive' feedback and say your were well pleased?

 

If you weren't happy you should have let them know before leaving fback.

 

Also if you paid via paypal, you are only protected for payments upto £500.

 

I've only sold one car on ebay and that was my last car, I gave the opp for people to come and inspect it, but no one wanted to, as I put all the pictures I could of it on the ad incl the rust and any damage, so people could see what they were bidding on. It sold for over a grand and the girl that bought it came out and test drove it with her dad and he looked it over before we took it out, I explained where I had it serviced and he used to work at the same place years before, so he knew the standard of their work. Took it for a drive and she liked and she paid me a two hundred deposit which we agreed on the day, via paypal. And then she paid the rest in cash on the day I dropped it off to her. But in the time between paying the deposit and her paying the rest of the money, the car sat on my drive, not moving. Until I took it to her.

 

Sorry to be down on the paypal thing.

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bloody hell, if it passed the mot then the seller has completed his legal obligation, as it was 5 months since mot a lot can happen. as a seller you shouldnt have to put a car through a full service before selling it thats what mots are for. i sold a car on ebay not long ago got £160 for a very nice little car that was making a funny noise when driven. i emailed the bloke after he got home to make sure everything was ok and he said he just changed a transmitter and its running like a dream now..... can i ask him for more money now cos its a much better car than i thought?

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bloody hell, if it passed the mot then the seller has completed his legal obligation, as it was 5 months since mot a lot can happen. as a seller you shouldnt have to put a car through a full service before selling it thats what mots are for. i sold a car on ebay not long ago got £160 for a very nice little car that was making a funny noise when driven. i emailed the bloke after he got home to make sure everything was ok and he said he just changed a transmitter and its running like a dream now..... can i ask him for more money now cos its a much better car than i thought?

 

In this case, the seller hasn't actually completed his legal obligation unless the car is roadworthy. As a business seller, ie dealer, he is legally obliged to ensure that the vehicle is roadworthy before he sells it. A car having an MOT is no guarantee that it is roadworthy as, like you said, "it was 5 months since mot a lot can happen". If the car was not roadworthy when it was sold then the dealer has an obligation to repair the defects and make it roadworthy or refund the buyer in full.

MOT's are really just an annual check to assess the oradworthiness of a vehicle. If you get stopped by the police and they find on checking that your car has defects that make it unroadworthy you will still get done for it. Saying it has an mot is no defence.

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