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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached  2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00. The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month. 3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement, Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us. 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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
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My understanding is somewhat different, if a personal formally puts another on notice they intend to issue court proceedings and formally asks for information this cannot be ignored.

My experience is a lot different, if I had replied to every threat of legal action against me, I would have spent the last 3 years of my life responding, not to mention the time and cost implications. I would add that without issuing an actual claim in court then the requests made by whoever have no formal status.

 

I have a case ongoing where I am nearing this stage if it proves that the company does indeed follow through.

IMO and experience responding to these companies just encourages them to write more junk mail as they think you are wavering over payment. As you have stated and I have yet to experience, 'if the company does indeed follow through', yet to find one that does.

 

 

The advice I have been given by 2 solicitors indicated should I ignore this formal request and then only respond to court papers the court, if they were drawn to the fact I had failed to cooperate before court papers were issued, could take a dim view and even if I lost I could be responsibile for costs.

It is of course not for me to argue against the advice given to you by 2 Solicitors, but if I were to ask their advice one of the questions I would ask them is what experience they have in actually dealing with this specific sort of circumstances,you will probably find very, very few. The over all opinion and advice on this forum is to ignore anything other than actual court papers and so far no-one has been let down by that advice.

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Interesting comments 'letshelp'. Well we are a company that follows through. In our last 2 court hearings the defendants took the advice of not to contact us and ignored all attempts at communication. Unfortunately they both lost. No gloating but it might just help x7070 decide how to proceed.

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How does the law differ between private firms issuing these "fines" and local authorities issuing fines?

 

My understanding is that the councils and Transport For London are able to go after the registered keeper. Why is it that private firms cannot?

 

I've currently got one outstanding offence with TFL (for ignoring a no left turn sign) and one with CEL (for staying for 3 hours in a car park with a maximum 2 hour stay).

 

In both instances my friend was borrowing my car. He will pay me for the TFL offence, but since he spent the full 3 hours inside PC World purchasing a new desktop PC, we are going to give CEL the finger. I plan on starting with the "I was not the driver" response.

 

Is it worth speaking with the store manager before writing to CEL?

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How does the law differ between private firms issuing these "fines" and local authorities issuing fines?

Private firms have no legal status they are just a [problem].

 

My understanding is that the councils and Transport For London are able to go after the registered keeper. Why is it that private firms cannot?

Because Transport for London, Councils and the Police all have the law behind them, Private firms do not. As has been stated PPC is pursuing a breach of contract therefore the contract, if any, was formed with the driver at the time. The RK and the driver might be 2 different people, and you cannot commit a third party to a contract.

 

Is it worth speaking with the store manager before writing to CEL?

No, and not worth involving the store manager.

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Hi Guys,

 

I previously posted about having received a pcn from AS Securi-T but for some reson I can`t find the thread.

 

Anyway, just to repeat basically, 6 weeks after my car was seen parked in a particular area I received in the post the initial request for £75.00 to be paid within 14 days. Following advice from some great guys on here I ignored the pcn and accompanying letter. I received another letter a couple of days ago stating that as the 14 days have now passed with no payment from myself being forthcoming, I am now liable for £150.00 and I am to forward payment asap.

 

I still have no intention of paying these monkeys but was wondering how things would stand IF this company sent someone out to my home address and clamped my car?

The reason I ask is that my Husband spoke to a friend of his who happens to be a Traffic Warden in our local area, most Traffic Wardens also consider this company to be nothing more than a bunch of scumbags but apparently A S Securi-T are apparently known for turning up at your home address and clamping your car.

 

Is it a simple case of calling the Police? Are A S Securi-T able to clamp and get away with it or is it just another bullyboy tactic of theirs to get people to cough up?

 

Any advice greatly appreciated....again. :)

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Thanks lamma. :)

 

I was slightly concerned after my Husband relayed the conversation he had with his friend and I just wasn`t sure whether clamping my car was something they could do and get away with. More to the point....what could I do if this action did occur?

 

No doubt the next letter will be one informing me that `the debt` has been handed to a Debt Recovery Company.......oh well, that will get ignored as well. :rolleyes:

 

Thanks again. x

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Hi Bernie. Could you have a look at my thread please it's called PPC ROBBERS. Its the first time i've been on a forum and I've had some good advice from a couple of people but don't really know what to do to try and get my money back. Thank you

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Are you the clamped in carpark Bournemouth?

 

Unfortunately you paid these parasites, I think the only way to recover your money is Issue Court proceedings.

 

But then the company will dissolve and start up again as another company.

 

B@stards

 

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Hi Guys,

I've just received a PCN for parking where I have been parking for the last 6 months. This on a side road where my car backs up to a barrier that was once a No Frills car park - now dis-used. I was not obstructing or blocking any one in, nor was I parked on the kerb, but here's the best bit...my work collegue who was parked next to me did not get one & we parked & left at the same time!!! They are stating; code 01 - parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours. What restricted street?! What precribed hours?! There were no signs etc, any suggestions or templates that I can use to contest this?!!!

 

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Hi,

 

since getting a Parking ticket affixed to my windscreen. I ignored it.

Since then I have heard absolutely zilch, nada, niente,nitz.

 

I can only conclude that a) I am lucky. b) they have realised that it is cheaper to just collect from those mug enough to pay up as c) they know they cannot pursue the owner and saved the money collecting info from the DVLA.

 

So I suggest to anyone concerned, in the first instance don't panic and do nothing. Wait for them to contact you. Then look at the options.

 

PCN issued 28/01/09 with 7 days to pay £50 or after £100 after 28 days further £50 added. :rolleyes:

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Are you the clamped in carpark Bournemouth?

 

Unfortunately you paid these parasites, I think the only way to recover your money is Issue Court proceedings.

 

But then the company will dissolve and start up again as another company.

 

B@stards

 

Jogs

Which is why you sue the landowner and the clamper. Clamping firms do have a habit of disappearing but it's often a bit more tricky for the landowner to disappear.

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I have a valid permit for the car that the notice was on. In fact, I do recall having to apply for a permit from the NHS Trust, which was subsequently issued by Vinci.

 

According to the CPN, "Failing to display a valid PERMIT" is the Breach Code. Obviously, I have a valid permit, which is assigned to the car in question. Seems they are claiming they couldn't see the paper permit in my car, and hence issued a CPN.

 

In this situation, where I believe they probably already have access to my personal details (which may have been supplied by the NHS Trust), does this change the advice to not initiate contact?

 

I saw this: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/119802-private-parking-tickets-template-3.html#post1595724 post in the thread earlier, which seems somewhat similar, and appears appropriate to my situation.

 

Thoughts?

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In this situation, where I believe they probably already have access to my personal details (which may have been supplied by the NHS Trust), does this change the advice to not initiate contact?

 

 

No

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In this situation, where I believe they probably already have access to my personal details (which may have been supplied by the NHS Trust)

 

Have you agreed to the NHS giving your personal details to a ';third party'?

If not I feel a breach of Data Protection Laws may have occured.

does this change the advice to not initiate contact?

 

No, not at all.

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Many thanks letshelp & crem.

 

I honestly cannot recall whether the application form for the permit included a section about revealing all personal details, but it definitely included name and car registration.

 

I don't think that you necessarily had to be the registered keeper of the car you registered for the permit.

 

In any case, I'll just file the Civil Parking Notice until I hear from them.

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To update everyone on here. I posted my story, and many letters, on here back in October 2008. Look at my posts.

I never heard anything further from them and now expect I never will.

 

I wish to thank all those who offer such excellent advice dsuring what isa scary period if you have never gone through it before.

 

Those who are going through it now, be strong, keep positive and keep your stamps in your wallet.

 

All the best to everyone on here...

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Eastbourne is quite new to the PCNs introduced October 2008

these case references might be of use when contesting PCN's

 

London Borough of Wandsworth v Al’s Bar and Restaurant

Case Number: 2020106430 Penalty Charge Notice: WA04516186

Review Decision dated 28 October 2002

This is an application by the Borough of Wandsworth ('the Council') for review of the decision of the Parking Adjudicator, Richard Crabb, on 2 July 2002 when he allowed the appeal of Al's Bar & Restaurant Ltd ('the Appellant') and directed the Council to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice ('PCN') and the Notice to Owner ('NTO'). I heard the application on 10 October 2002. Mr Pitt-Payne of Counsel represented the Council and Mr Sutton the Appellant.

 

The facts as to the issue of the PCN are not in dispute. The issue between the parties is the validity of the PCN. The Appellant says that the PCN is invalid and unenforceable because it does not comply with the requirements as to content prescribed by section 66 (3) of the Road Traffic Act 1991.

 

 

At the hearing of the original appeal, which the Council did not attend, Mr Crabb found, in essence, that the PCN did not comply with the requirements of paragraphs ©, (d) and (e) and that this rendered it invalid. In doing so, he adopted relevant parts of the judgment of District Judge Wigfield in Sutton v London Borough of Camden (In the Central London County Court Case No: BT106545), a case heard earlier this year (the exact date is unclear). This was a claim under the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977 relating to the clamping of a vehicle. It raised similar issues about the validity of a PCN issued by Camden and the District Judge found against Camden.

 

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Hello all...

 

looks like a certain car park in Reading has changed their mind about doubeling up disabled carparking spaces with parental parking spaces and decided to use UKCPS ltd to do their dirty work...

Any who, after having read some of the entries on this site it seems like one could make UKCPS work for their money...

Unfortunately I'm of the honest type and do not wish to go down the " I wasnt driving" path - just incase it does go to court and makes me look a numpty when the judge asks who was driving...

Also we have noticed that where we used to park there are signs up stating that parental bays are available elsewhere, however where we parked (which is just adjacent to the other bays) there was no sign.(we took pictures of this - not sure if it would help as the management stated that there are signs up all over the place about this and also there is one at the entrance - which is true however when driving up the parking ramp I tend to pay more attention to the driving than what signs are up)

To be honest - I was about to pay but found that my details were not on the UKCPS ineternet payment system, and when I called them to find out when they were going to be put on I was asked specifics of the ticket... Luckily I cottoned on and stopped the conversation - why should I be giving them my money and tell them my details when they should already have them...

Further to this I have now noticed that my parking ticket is on their system but the registration is wrong.... so should I now leave it or pay up and mention their error to them...

I have always paid my fines (not that I have had many) but this time I thought I'd do some investigation before I pay and now I'm at 60% willingness to pay however the more I think of it the more I want to say stuff em! From some of the post I have noticed that Court summons were sent, however no one really has posted if they went to court and what the result was... - still got a few days before the £60 turns to £100...

 

any advice would be greatly appreciated...

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