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    • An update to this case as I’ve not been on in a while.    I am still awaiting a charging decision in the case. The two police officers involved have said their personal belief is a section 47 ABH charge is the most likely outcome but this isn’t a sure thing of course.    The EA certificate from the issuing court has now lapsed. The court have refused to recertify him until they’ve had a hearing in to the case, and the district judge has issued orders to surrender all evidence, footage, photos etc.    I have done so promptly.    the EA, not so much . Equita have claimed they cannot provide his bodycam footage as the camera he was wearing is the EA personal one not one of theirs.   the EA has claimed he has asked Equita and the police for the footage as he claims he doesn’t have it.    the police have confirmed they didn’t seize his camera and they don’t have it.    so they are basically pointing the finger at each other all the while failing to comply with the district judges order to provide all evidence they intend to rely on at the rescheduled hearing.    The district judge has stated the hearing for his certification will NOT be the hearing for my complaint as there is no charge as of yet, and just as to whether he should be recertified or not.    I’m not 100% on why that can’t be done at the time, but I’m not about to question a judge…..      
    • Thanks FTMDave, I like the cut of your jib - I'll go with that and obtain proof of postage. Encouraging that NPE have never followed through and seem to blowing hot air, let's see where they go after this   Regards
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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
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Hi can anyone help me please.

I have been on a work suspension for nearly a year now with pay.

 

My question is would I be able to go for constructive dismissal as I have applied for few other jobs..

I have just had my investagtion meeting 11months later and have to wait again now on a decision if it goes to disciplinary action.

I don't feel I could even go back to this job now anyway after waiting this length of time.

 

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Can you provide a brief history of what has happened and what you are alleged to have done ?

 

Are you member of a union ? If so, get advice from your Union.

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hello,

 

 

have you put in a greivance about the length of time? how long does your policy suggest it should take?

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Hi can anyone help me please. I have been on a work suspension for nearly a year now with pay. My question is would I be able to go for constructive dismissal as I have applied for few other jobs..I have just had my investagtion meeting 11months later and have to wait again now on a decision if it goes to disciplinary action. I don't feel I could even go back to this job now anyway after waiting this length of time.

Many thanks for listening

 

Constructive dismissal is very difficult to win I wouldn't advise anyone to go down that route If you have to then get a lawyer You definitely can't do it on your own

 

However, I don't see why you wish to leave

 

The company has taken too long in investigating the case They have weakened their position If I were you, I would take on some short courses and do other things that I fancy till they call me back

 

However, you need to maintain contact with your company A judge could look at it that you were profiting from the company's failure to deal with the issue speedily Just maintain contact so as to counter that

 

Get in touch with your union as someone suggested

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Hi sorry only noticing replies as not really sure how to use site..

A fraud allegation was made against me by a co worker which I am completely innocent of but as it's a large company had to be taken seriously naturally..

 

I am not in a union and just received my investagtion meeting 2 w3 weeks ago and have just received the notes from meeting for me to sign as a correct record of meeting.

 

I attended meeting on my own..

they are away now to talk to witnesses I mentioned..

the accusation report had been drawn up on January and they only called me to give my story 3 weeks ago.

 

9 months later..

I have been sending them emails constantly in the last year and been given the run around.

 

Thanks for all your help as this has totally shattered me in past year.

It's hard to focus on anything else with this hanging over my head..

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I also have a second job within the company cleaning but as I am not allowed to talk to anyone in the first job that suspended from it would have been to difficult to go to my second job so doctor put me off with stress from this job.

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Didn't you gather any evidence yourself to prove your innocence?

 

Remember that a disciplinary hearing is not a court of law, so they could dismiss you even if they have 1% evidence against you.

 

I won't advice to do the following, but this is what happened a few years ago to a colleague working at the counter.

He was accused of stealing and suspended.

 

When he received the allegations in writing he reported himself to the police for theft.

It took a bit of convincing to get a reference number followed by a statement taken a few days later.

 

The police got in touch with the company and invited them to the police station.

They never attended and re-instated the colleague.

 

He got a long winded written apology and the manager who accused him said he shouldn't have gone to the police.

The manager was moved to another store, my colleague worked at the counter until he retired.

HR erased these allegations from his file upon request.

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Report was sent to police by my place of work but police wouldn't take anything to do with it and now it's just a work investigation..

 

I have given my answers to explain how I have not did anything wrong .

I just feel it would be hard to go back to this job now as I've lost respect for them and wondering what my next move should be to get it sorted.

 

Work policy states a brief period of precautionary suspension may be imposed..

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As you don't want to go back, best thing to do is to go silent and continue cashing in your salary.

At one point they'll realise you're getting paid to stay home and they'll sort this out.

Then, whether they dismiss you or you leave, they've got to give you all your holidays that you continue accruing while suspended.

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Get what you're saying king12345 but I would definately be taking them for unfair dismissal if gets to disciplinary as I have working here for 16 years with an unblemished record.

 

I have been offered another job with another company and won't be able to accept this offer if situation not sorted in next month so was trying to find best way to get it resolved

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1. why don't you just resign and take the new job?

 

2. to have a chance in hell of UD you need to have exhausted internal processes and you don't seem to have put in a grievance, in writing?

 

Sending emails for updates is not sending in a formal grievance.

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Get what your saying king12345 but I would definately be taking them for unfair dismissal if gets to disciplinary as I have worked here for 16 years with an unblemished record. I have been offered another job with another company and won't be able to accept this offer if situation not sorted in next month so was trying to find best way to get it resolved

 

Don't you like free money?

If you are bored at home, ask the new company to take you on as a volunteer with token payments which won't go through the normal process, so in other words officially you would still be employed by the previous company.

 

Maybe you don't want to let them know what's going on, but I wouldn't leave a job that is paying me without working.

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Don't want to just walk away and let them away with treating me in this way when I've been there 16 years. Guess I'm just going to let them them go through there procedures and do a compromise agreement with them if it's pursued to disciplinary stage.

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You're already punishing them by taking your salary in exchange for nothing.

Let them carry on for as long as they want.

Then there are a million loopholes to delay the hearing and potential dismissal.

Overall you could be looking at a very long time on full pay for staying at home.

That's what I call milking.

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Yes get what your saying but would seriously just like it resolved one way or another as with it hanging over my head as I said it's hard not to think about and longer it goes on folk start to presume your guilty which I don't like.

 

.I'm just hoping there delay is to prove my innocence and not to try and build a case on me..

 

..reckon it would be very hard for them to let me return after this length of time

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Don't want to just walk away and let them away with treating me in this way when I've been there 16 years. Guess I'm just going to let them them go through there procedures and do a compromise agreement with them if it's pursued to disciplinary stage.

 

There is no reason I can see for the company to offer you a settlement agreement, and it sounds like you'll be missing out on an opportunity.

 

Why can't you resign again? I don't think you said.

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I could resign but why should I if i would win a unfair dismissal claim as they have not followed correct procedures by taking so long to deal with the investagation..i would be walking away from 16 years redundancy if walked away.

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Currently you will not win an UD case because you have not exhausted internal procedures ie raised a grevance. I am not sure why you cannot accept that.

 

They could still dismiss for fraud - they only need a reasonable belief, not absolute proof - much lower bar than the police.

 

"fair" and "legal" are in no way the same thing.

 

Why should you walk away?

 

To stop yourself becoming even more bitter.

This is not a redundancy situation.

The job still exists.

 

By the way has the doctor also signed you off sick from your second job for almost a year?

I'd be close to dismissal for capability by now.

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I also have a second job within the company cleaning but as I am not allowed to talk to anyone in the first job that suspended from it would have been to difficult to go to my second job so doctor put me off with stress from this job.

 

 

 

 

"Not being able to talk to people" is not an illness. Is that really why the GP signed you off? How is your stress being treated? Is that job managing you under a capabilty procedure and/or paying sick pay?

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Yes doctor has me out for stress on second job and also company doctor confirmed this and said I wouldn't be back until they sorted out the issue with 1st job that suspended from. Get company sick pay for second job. When I say I can't speak to anyone I mean that I have been told I am not allowed to communicate with the other workers while on suspension and investagtion taking place. Suspension is meant to be for brief a time as policy and meant to be reviewed regularly and keep me informed of progress which they have failed to do reason I believe I have a case for constructive dismissal but I know going down that route dosent clear me of the allegation

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cross post see links I have posted above. However as you are not minded to listen, I will withdraw at this point.

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