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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hi,

 

I received a letter from Ruthbridge over a DLC debt which has been assigned to them,

 

this is very old although payments were being made to dlc through a dmc in 2011.

 

I received this letter threatening to make me bankrupt!

 

I decided to send a CCA request to them and have just received a reply today returning my postal order.

 

This states

 

'we write further to your recent correspondence requesting information with regard to our reasons for contacting you.

 

We take note of the points you have raised in your correspondence, however we must advise we are not in a position to reply with your request at this stage as we are required to verify information we have been provided with yourself for the purposes of data protection in compliance with the Data Protection Act 1998.

 

We would appreciate it if you would contact our offices so that we can complete the necessary verification and address and further queries you may have with regards to this matter'

 

Obviously it is a trick to try and get me to call them, but where does this leave me with the CCA request bearing in mind they returned the p order?

 

I should also point out that this debt is no where on my credit file and I think the original agreement must have been way back in about 2004/5, I doubt there is any chance they would have the original agreement.

 

Thanks

 

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so a spoofing DCA

chasing a debt for another spoofing DCA

 

that you sadly got spoofed into paying via a fee paying ? DMC

when you prob didn't need to pay in the first place.

 

they've had their pound of flesh already

 

its always wise to ignore them.

 

until you get advise from here.

 

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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thanks DX, but where do I stand with the CCA request now?

I sent it recorded delivery etc but they returned the postal order asking me to verify information.

 

Will the CCA request stand meaning the debt cant be enforced until they comply or can they actually issue me with a statutory demand and bankrupt me?

 

thanks

 

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How much are Ruthbridge claiming as the amount claimed will determine whether or not the could apply for bankruptcy. Having had dealings with Ruthbridge I supect this is just one of their bog standard computerised letters aimed at frightening you.

 

As for additional information, you could of course write to them and ask them to explian precisely what is required

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why a DCA would write to you in this manner and then concede that they are not sure who you are. Therefore when they respond you could always respond by questioning why they sent a demand in the first place if they are unsure that you are the person they wish to contact.

 

PLEASE REMEBER THAT PHONE CALLS TO DCA'S ARE AN ABSOLUTE NO NO WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.

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I have never seen a statutory demand or bankruptcy petition issued by this horrible little debt collection agency. You have made your request quite clear, if you really want to then send a CCA request to the original creditor too. A fishing letter by them threatening to cancel Christmas and then a letter saying 'we aren't really sure if it is you !!

 

Send their correspondence to the OFT.

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They are claiming about £3,500.00. This is an ancient debt, the original agreement is well over six years ago although like I say payments were made to DLC via a dmc up until July 2011.

 

Thanks

 

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They aren't really sure what to do....and that is why they have responded like they have done, they are desparate to speak to you to bully you into paying. And I would only recommend talking to them on the phone if you can record the calls, saying that, they obviously do not have a telephone number for you (luckily). Otherwise if they do call then you could try this - POST #56 - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?131475-Dealing-with-DCA-s-phone-calls/page3&highlight=patronising

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we all pretty much know the DMC's here

 

many are 'in bed' with various DCA's or ex employee that

set them up.

 

get more money from mugs that way

 

who were they?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They were debt free direct I think. They were paying DLC at the time who had the debt then, the original debt was Auto Finance Direct which was an extortionate car finance company.

 

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aha - Auto Finance Direct

lots of thread about that lot

everyone shows the customer were fleeced blind.

 

poss time to SAR them

 

i bet theres LOADS to reclaim.

 

alot of their agreements were borderline fraud

 

type their name in our search top right

 

dx

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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who?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

 

I have received letters from DLC regarding a direct auto finance debt from 2004?

 

 

I have not heard anything since 2013 when this debt was with Ruthridge,

I send a CCA letter asking for credit agreement and they could not provide any details and heard nothing further.

 

 

Recently I started getting letters from DLC and now a letter from Mortimer Clarke with a 14 day notice to apply for judgment.

 

 

I think I made payments under a DCA until March 2009 so would be coming up to statute barred.

 

 

my plan is to send a CCA letter to DLC and MClarke by recorded delivery.

Is this the right way to go?

Is it the case that they cannot issue proceedings before providing me with this information?

Not sure what to do with this one really...

 

Thankyou

 

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Have you actually received a claim form roadhog?..its not clear from your post.

 

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They can still issue a court claim but cannot enforce in court while in default of your CCA request. As the agreement is prior to 2006 they would need the original agreement and not a reconstructed to enforce as the old Section 127(3) CCA 1974 will still apply.

 

The way to go is to send another CCA request direct to Mortimer Clarke.

 

If the last payment was made in 2009 then it will be almost cetainly statute barred now and an absolute defence.

 

These old car agreements are easy to defend anyway as they usd any deposit for the insurance crap, and not the car. Have you claimed back any of that PPI nonsense??

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Hi guys,

 

Thanks for your prompt response.

No claim form, 14 day letter saying they will issue.

 

Just looked at the mortimer clarke letter again and their client is ME III limited.

 

I've not received any correspondence from them at all.

 

Last letter from DLC was saying it was being passed to cabot financial who may issue then got a 14 day from MClarke.

 

So if I send a CCA letter to them do I say..

...I do not acknowledge any debt with ME III Ltd or still your company?

 

Cant say for sure re:- statute barred regarding last payment through DCA,

how would I find out this information?

 

thanks

 

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Yes CCA request to Mortimer clarke as they are the solicitors threatening legal action on behalf of their clients. Send recorded delivery. Use a template in the forum library

 

Remember to use the Mortimer Clarke reference number in the letter they sent you

 

If last payment was 2009 or any written communication it would have become statute barred in 2015

 

Your request being a HP agreement will be under section 79 CCA.

I always myself put under section 77-79 CCA 1974 myself to avoid any confusion.

But that is just me

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Hi guys,

 

Thanks for your prompt response. No claim form, 14 day letter saying they will issue. Just looked at the mortimer clarke letter again and their client is ME III limited. I've not received any correspondence from them at all. Last letter from DLC was saying it was being passed to cabot financial who may issue then got a 14 day from MClarke. So if I send a CCA letter to them do I say.....I do not acknowledge any debt with ME III Ltd or still your company? Cant say for sure re:- statute barred regarding last payment through DCA, how would I find out this information?

 

thanks

 

roadhog1

 

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From what you say it doesnt really have legs but if you do nothing they will think that you wont be bothered to defend a claim.

I bet that the CCA request will elicit a response that they dont have the paperwork but they know you still owe the money but are putting their collection activites on hold for the moment..

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old and new thread merged for history

best to go read the thread from post 1 again everyone.

 

all the DCA's sols you mention are all part of the same group

so its simply willy waving.

 

so you are indicating that after the last thread you paid someone?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi, following on from this.

 

I now have an update.

 

Dlc have provided a copy of the original agreement from 2004.

Unfortunately the last payment made was in august 2011 so not statute barred till August! .

 

there is ppi which doesnt make sense to me and has never been claimed.

 

It looks like deposit has been made up etc.

 

Any ideas as to what to do next?

 

Do i have defence when they issue?

 

Happy to defend if theres a chance .

 

Definitely dont want a ccj though.

 

Many thanks

 

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If the deposit has been used for ythe insurance crap and not the cost of the vehicle you can use that. Did it myself with Yes Car finance.

 

Put simply it impacts the prescribed terms as in APR and the total amount of credit is misstated.

 

If the agreement fails to comply with s61(1)(a) CCA 1974 the court cannot enforce

 

As the agreement is pre-2007 section 127(3) Consumer Credit Act 1974 will kick in and scrub the agreement

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scan up to pdf what they sent please

upload

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

 

 

It was yes car credit and the deposit shows on the PPI part not the vehicle cost. The car was actually given back to them because it didn't work and they failed to fix it. I will upload the PDF as soon as I get home.

 

 

thanks for your responses

 

 

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