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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? 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After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Apparently my electricity metre is up for renewal.

 

I have only just discovered that Smart metres are the replacements. And that some people feel these have been causing health problems.

 

I know I am Electrosensitive.

 

How do I make sure they are not going to install a smart metre since I dont know what they look like?

 

I emailed but got no reply.

 

I guess recorded delivery letter and get the guy on the day to sign a document confirming he understand i do not want a smart metre and will not install one.

 

Am I legally entitled to refuse a Smart metre?

 

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why do you think a smart meter [although is a smart metre more or less than a normal metre in length:-D?]

 

would effect you?

 

what do you think these do rather than a normal one [bar p'haps a WiFi linkage - and you must already have wifi I bet anyhow?]

 

what have you been reading and where?

 

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I know myself to be Electrosensitive scale from mild to severe.

 

I think around the world this illness is treated as psychosomatic with no basis in 'science' ... or the more enlightened hospitals abroad have specially designed rooms to eliminate problem.

 

And the councils will pay to protect your home from EMF etc. (could be Sweden or Belgium, cant remember).

 

At this point in time I am reading anecdotal evidence of people who are suffering health problems after smart metre has been installed.

 

I dont think proper science exists yet.

 

It seems some places in America have banned them.

Dr.Rea, an Environmental doctor , does not know the mechanism yet causing the problem. Its not the radiation in his opinion.

 

My point is though I have enough physical health problems.

 

At this point in time, if there is even a **slight** chance of further health problems - then I dont want it.

 

edit : nope. no wifi.

 

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I know myself to be Electrosensitive scale from mild to severe.

 

I think around the world this illness is treated as psychosomatic with no basis in 'science' ... or the more enlightened hospitals abroad have specially designed rooms to eliminate problem.

 

And the councils will pay to protect your home from EMF etc. (could be Sweden or Belgium, cant remember).

 

At this point in time I am reading anecdotal evidence of people who are suffering health problems after smart metre has been installed.

 

I dont think proper science exists yet.

 

It seems some places in America have banned them.

Dr.Rea, an Environmental doctor , does not know the mechanism yet causing the problem. Its not the radiation in his opinion.

 

My point is though I have enough physical health problems.

 

At this point in time, if there is even a **slight** chance of further health problems - then I dont want it.

 

edit : nope. no wifi.

 

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Clear33

 

Do you use a mobile phone? Do you have wifi in your home? If you asnwer yest to either of these questions you should have no issue as the SMART meter uses a mobile phone signal to transmit the data once a month and to transmit the date takes a few seconds. I think you are worrying unnecessary. If it were offered to us, we would jump at the chance as I can download the readings direct to my PC at any time.

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http://www.electrosmogprevention.org/public-health-alert/smart-meters-radiation-exposure-up-to-160-times-more-than-cell-phones-hirsch/

 

Here is a graph.

 

i am reading the power of it is equivalent to up to 160mobile phones !!!??

 

Surfer01, I do have a mobile phone and no wifi. I have periods completrly free from my mobile phone though and do what i can to limit my exposure.

 

My metre is situated 3foot from my favourite seat and head of my bed. Plus my cats like sitting on the shelf of the metre .

 

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Edit: and the convenience angle soon becomes a moot point when you end up desperately sick and unable to work as some people have been reporting.

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As said it only transmits once a month for a few seconds so doubt if there is any need for worry. How can it have the same transmitting power equal to 160 mobile phones if it uses a standard mobile phone network like Vodafone. I think you are ading too much into thsi otherwise you woudl not be able to walk past any shop offering free wifi like MacDonalds. However you are not obliged to have a SMART meter installed unless you agreed to it as part of the contract.

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Are you cats 'electrosensitive' too?

 

What sort of monitor does your computer have, and does your computer affect you, too?

 

No, but they have DNA, cells and are as susceptible to distortions as humans are.

 

I dont currently have a computer.

 

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As said it only transmits once a month for a few seconds so doubt if there is any need for worry. How can it have the same transmitting power equal to 160 mobile phones if it uses a standard mobile phone network like Vodafone. I think you are ading too much into thsi otherwise you woudl not be able to walk past any shop offering free wifi like MacDonalds. However you are not obliged to have a SMART meter installed unless you agreed to it as part of the contract.

 

Are you able to show me evidence that this smart metre transmits once per month?

 

I am just researching this myself and cant seem to find it anywhere. I am reading its on 24/7...

 

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Are you able to show me evidence that this smart metre transmits once per month?

 

I am just researching this myself and cant seem to find it anywhere. I am reading its on 24/7...

 

Thanks! :)

 

My evidence is that I worked for a supplier and arranged for SMART meters to be installed. No necessity for them to be read more than once a month. You may not have your own computer but any computer emits some or other form of radiation

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http://emfhelp.net/smart-meters-clear-present-radiation-danger/

 

Surfer, I cant understand then wht you would possibly say they only transmit once a month ???

 

In the link, there is further explanation of transmissions.

 

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Clear33

 

" We are told that smart meters only transmit for a few brief periods of time every day. Is this true?

Not quite. Smart meters work as part a “mesh network” of smart meters. One smart meter may receive data from another smart meter close by and forward it onwards. This is intended to improve the network’s ability to transmit data reliably all the time. So most of the time your smart meter is probably not transmitting your data but rather working hard to transmit signals as part of its role as a node within the*”mesh network”.*We are led to believe that smart meters transmit for very short periods of time only. For example, one US utility company is claiming their smart meters only transmit for 45 seconds*over a 24 hour period.**This is partial and *misleading information to say the least. Why? Because *the smart meters transmit very sharp and short pulses of 2 millisecond duration each. If you divide 45 seconds by 2 milliseconds you get a total of 22,500 pulses over a 24 hour period. That means that theoretically you can have pulses coming at a rate of 15 pulses per minute non-stop 24/7.

When they first installed smart meters in the apartment building where I was living I was led to believe that these devices would only transmit several times per day. However *I used an RF meter*to measure what was actually going on and was unpleasantly surprised to discover that the smart meters were transmitting every minute or two. Furthermore, because a battery of smart meters was installed in one location (one for each apartment), if you were standing next to it you would be exposed to a constant barrage of short but intense bursts of electromagnetic radiation.

So what is the difference between having a smart meter and owning a mobile phone ?

In short:*HUGE DIFFERENCE.*Most if not all of us own a mobile phone also called a cell phone or cellular phone. These are very versatile and useful technological wonders. However, the downside is that in order to receive and transmit voice, video and data *- mobile phones need to transmit and receive electromagnetic frequencies constantly. Even when they are idling they transmit short bursts of electromagnetic radiation in the RF band (radio frequency band) in order to stay in contact with the closest cell phone tower. BUT there is one HUGE difference between smart meters and cell phones. Smart meters transmit bursts of EMF radiation continuously 24/7 where as the cell phone only does it when WE decide to turn it *on. I own a cell phone and carry it with me everywhere just in case I have an emergency or no other available form of communication. But I keep my phone in air-plane mode or turn it off. This way I limit my radiation exposure to very short infrequent periods of time when I really have no alternative but to use it. Some people carry their cell phone in a radiation blocking case. In any case it is MY CHOICE, MY FREE WILL, MY DECISION when and how to use MY cell phone. But with smart meters *we have no choice, no freedom, no rights. Perhaps installation of smart meters could and should be contested as unconstitutional and an infringement of human rights and liberties on a very large scale."

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I am surprised that you believe that hogwash as it is a scare mongering site with no credibility. Why would SMART meters want to interact with one another and for the supplier to pay all that extra for additional bandwidth. As said, if you don't want a SMART meter reject it. Your choice but please stopping reading these rumour mongering sites as they seem to be stressing you out.

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No, but they have DNA, cells and are as susceptible to distortions as humans are.

 

I dont currently have a computer.

 

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Clear33

 

What "distortions"?? Are you claiming that electricity / wi-fi / radio waves cause mutations in DNA ?

 

And that all of us are "electro sensitive"?

 

Some humans seem to feel they are ; are there reports of cats showing "electrosensitivity"?. There are lots if cats I've met who seem just fine around all sorts of non-ionising sources.

 

Since you don't have a computer I'll rephrase : how are you accessing the Internet / posting on CAG, and how does what ever you use to do so affect you?

 

As for "radiation blocking cases" for smartphones : what do you think a phone does in one of these cases? The same as if it is more distant from a tower : up its transmit power.

You'd be better closer to a tower with a good signal, it will transmit at a lower power (designed to do so to preserve battery life!).

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I am surprised that you believe that hogwash as it is a scare mongering site with no credibility. Why would SMART meters want to interact with one another and for the supplier to pay all that extra for additional bandwidth. As said, if you don't want a SMART meter reject it. Your choice but please stopping reading these rumour mongering sites as they seem to be stressing you out.

 

I think it good to note that the electricitt company only told me that my metre was to be changed.

 

From a Consumer Action point of view, I was not being informed about the Smart Metre.

 

All I can ask of you again, Surfer, is please provide me with *evidence*

 

that they only transmit once a month.

 

I would gratefully receive it.

 

Legally, I am under no legal obligation to accept the smart Metre. Am drafting letter to record delivery to company declining it. Fortunately I dont live in an appartment or attached property where people are being adversely affected by their neighbours.

 

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What "distortions"?? Are you claiming that electricity / wi-fi / radio waves cause mutations in DNA ?

 

And that all of us are "electro sensitive"?

Some humans seem to feel they are ; are there reports of cats showing "electrosensitivity"?.

 

Since you don't have a computer I'll rephrase : how are you accessing the Internet / posting on CAG, and how does what ever you use to do so affect you?

 

Bazza, i am posting on my mobile phone - Its something i minimise but should not be doing but I trade off so that I can speak to you good internet people :)

 

Plants can be affected too as well as animals. There is some disturbing scientific data emerging but its really an ongoing experiment.

 

There are enough people who get sick and then trace it back to a mobile mast or smart metre etc. and moving frees them of their symptoms.

 

 

Electrosensitive - too long around it drains me of energy, visual disturbances, fuzzy head, neurological symptoms. Affect multi -body systems. Fluorescent lights particularly problematic and leave a rash around my neck... forget the rest.

Hope that answers enough....

 

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http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/a-reminder-your-rights-in-relation-to-smart-meters/

 

This tells me some of the misleading things that *may* be said to me to get me to have a Smart Metre.

 

It assures me that legally I do not have to have one and that the Government supports this choice - even come 2019.

 

Trust this is legally accurate...

 

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This has made me question the letter I was sent:

 

"your old meter has reached the end of its operational life and we are legally required under 1989 Electricity Act to replace it"

 

How do I check if my meter has "reached the end of its operational life" ??? And so verify the truth of this statement.

 

Thank you...:)

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This has made me question the letter I was sent:

 

"your old meter has reached the end of its operational life and we are legally required under 1989 Electricity Act to replace it"

 

How do I check if my meter has "reached the end of its operational life" ??? And so verify the truth of this statement.

 

Thank you...:)

 

The supplier has access to this information and the lifespan of the average domestic meter is 20 years and then it needs replacing. You are asking for verification on every thing which is a pointless exercise. I verified that SMART meters are read once a month as I worked in the industry and you dispute my word. Can you imagine the cost to the supplier if the connection was permanent on even activated just once a day? To verify the date of replacement ask your supplier and ask them to verify it with a screen shot of the meter details.

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I am surprised that you believe that hogwash as it is a scare mongering site with no credibility. Why would SMART meters want to interact with one another and for the supplier to pay all that extra for additional bandwidth. As said, if you don't want a SMART meter reject it. Your choice but please stopping reading these rumour mongering sites as they seem to be stressing you out.

 

Well said there :-(

Please use the quote system, So everyone will know what your referring too, thank you ...

 

 

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Well said there :-(

 

 

No, I have to disagree with you. It was not well said at all. It is in fact rudeness.

 

Not only is it derogatory to imply that looking into these SMART meters is something I should not be doing as its 'hogwash' and stating I am 'getting stressed' and then claiming to be an expert to whom I should simply listen to....just because....and yet offers no evidence as to the claims made of Smart metres sending a signal only once a month.

 

There are EMF meter readers and people are saying they are pulsing strong beams out every few seconds. I am not going to install a SMART meter so that I can learn the hard way that the thing is pulsing 24/7.

 

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" y. For example, one US utility company is claiming their smart meters only transmit for 45 seconds*over a 24 hour period.**This is partial and *misleading information to say the least. Why? Because *the smart meters transmit very sharp and short pulses of 2 millisecond duration each. If you divide 45 seconds by 2 milliseconds you get a total of 22,500 pulses over a 24 hour period. That means that theoretically you can have pulses coming at a rate of 15 pulses per minute non-stop 24/7."

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