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    • Oh, one other thing. It may sound a silly question, but as they say - silly questions are better than silly mistakes. The correspondence address in the current case and the previous one is correct and current. I've never actually written to the banks to confirm my address, as is regularly advised, because I presumed if Moriarty/IDR/J&P are using that address, there would be no need to. So because both cases seem to have my address correct, should I still write to the bank or take it that there's no need in this instance?
    • Yep, that's it @dx100uk - thanks for the clarification. My bad... Cheers again for all your help 👍
    • Hi all Just coming back to this Forum, as it helped me so much a few years back with ADCB/Moriarty. So I've had the circulars from IDR chasing Emirates NBD debt. They've been on and off over past few years, seem to be a run of letters, emails SMS and then go quiet, then start again.   A few months ago, same started with J&P, just a basic letter, email, sms asking to get in contact. Then last week I saw an email from Emirates NBD saying J&P were acting on their behalf. Up to this point, the main thrust of the letter seems to be please contact us, or contact ENBD about payment. Then I received a letter - I can't scan/upload it at this time but I will as soon as I can - which appears to be similar to what I've seen on other threads. Namely giving bank details of ENBD, saying they've been "instructed to pursue action", and saying they've enclosed a copy of Information Sheet, Reply Form in compliance of Pre-Action Protocol They state I have 30 days from date on letter to reply, and "if you fail to do so our client may have no option but to pursue further action against you". I'm of the view, as per advice on other threads and my experience with the other lender/company, to reply as per thread #5 in the main thread. On the basis that I wouldn't wish to give them ammunition by not replying or missing the opportunity. I'm aware that on some threads, in similar situation, one poster had been advised by sols not to reply and apparently J&P didn't progress from there, other than sending same requests. I feel these things are always down to the individual's choice, and I'm keen to see what others may have done/may be doing so will actively read other threads also.   Please feel free to ask if I can help with anything, or share any opinions, and in the meantime I'll get the uploads done ASAP.   Thanks again for everyone's help in the past, and hopefully the future, and good luck to all
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Oh dear indeed!!

 

Come on guys, bang some comments on the website

 

David

 

PS I think you just hit that one into the stands!! Shot sir.

 

Methinks there will be lots of comments.

 

Make sure there's links everywhere guys.

 

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ops lets see them try and explain them selves now.

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.....but didn't RBSs Lawters claim in a witness statement submitted into court that all my accounts were accurate and upto date, but confirmed earlier to my MP - "Mr Walton's accounts had been set up incorrectly".

 

I'm not a lawyer but that reeks of intentialy misleading the court.

 

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Excellent. What are they going to do now? :D

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Are any of the TV news channels going to pick this up?

 

HAK

 

It's been covered in most of the Sunday paper reviews.

 

I saw it being mentioned early on in The Andrew Marr Show this morning, if anyone would like to iPlayer that program.

 

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Be nice if Inland Revenue & Customs picked it up.

 

10 phoney accounts like this @ 100k unrecoverable balance = £1,000,000 write off for taxation purposes. Put money down it's the tip of the iceberg.

 

Wonder how many other institutions copied the RBS [problem], (If indeed it was RBS who dreamt it up to start with).

 

As RBS can't seem to explain to the press for what 'internal accounting' purposes these accounts actually serve, mabey the above should be asking the questions.

 

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Could you remind us all Paul how yourself and others got hold of this info in the first place?

 

Was it in response to a standard SAR, or was it pursued through the courts or ICO ?

 

Apart from how dumb they were to carry out such practices, I can't believe how dumb they were to actually reveal it all !!

 

.... Some heads are really going to roll over this !!

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Be nice if Inland Revenue & Customs picked it up.

 

10 phoney accounts like this @ 100k unrecoverable balance = £1,000,000 write off for taxation purposes. Put money down it's the tip of the iceberg.

 

Wonder how many other institutions copied the RBS [problem], (If indeed it was RBS who dreamt it up to start with).

 

As RBS can't seem to explain to the press for what 'internal accounting' purposes these accounts actually serve, mabey the above should be asking the questions.

 

David

 

Maybe HMR&C as well as shareholders.

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Could you remind us all Paul how yourself and others got hold of this info in the first place?

 

Was it in response to a standard Subject Access Request, or was it pursued through the courts or Information Commissioners Office ?

 

Apart from how dumb they were to carry out such practices, I can't believe how dumb they were to actually reveal it all !!

 

.... Some heads are really going to roll over this !!

 

RBSs deceit was exposed after they responded to a standard Subject Access Request and CCA request. It is my understanding that this creative activity was widespread in the nineties.

 

 

I will be forwarding a letter to RBSs lawyers this week to seek clarification that the witness statement they submitted into court confirming that all my accounts are accurate and up to date was correct.

 

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Be nice if Inland Revenue & Customs picked it up.

 

10 phoney accounts like this @ 100k unrecoverable balance = £1,000,000 write off for taxation purposes. Put money down it's the tip of the iceberg.

 

Wonder how many other institutions copied the RBS [problem], (If indeed it was RBS who dreamt it up to start with).

 

As RBS can't seem to explain to the press for what 'internal accounting' purposes these accounts actually serve, mabey the above should be asking the questions.

 

David

 

Yes, this is what was discussed on The AM Show - they were talking about how this type of behaviour has resulted in the credit crunch, because the likes of RBS are clearly using accounting techniques to "create" debts that the company relies on, then using those debts to chase debtors, resulting in negative equities all over the place.

 

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I will be forwarding a letter to RBSs lawyers this week to seek clarification that the witness statement they submitted into court confirming that all my accounts are accurate and up to date was correct.

 

Paul

 

It may be useful to print off the articles from the ST and include those in your letter, Paul.

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when that particular time bomb is opened...

 

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I had asked the Inland Revenue questions about these router accounts some 9 months or so ago.......they had never heard of them.......I also asked as to how an account (mine in particular could have TWO book debts),,they were not aware of either and couldn't answer the questions ...but also said they could only act if the treasury asked them to..............I had made the Prime minister aware of the facts 12 months ago and the Treasury..............Action taken ......none.

 

 

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Yes, this is what was discussed on The AM Show - they were talking about how this type of behaviour has resulted in the credit crunch, because the likes of RBS are clearly using accounting techniques to "create" debts that the company relies on, then using those debts to chase debtors, resulting in negative equities all over the place.

 

A debt being an asset when it comes onto the balance sheet.

 

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The way that I understand it is that an unsecured OVERDRAFT on a CURRENT account is shown as a LIABILITY on the banks balance sheet, but an unsecured LOAN account is shown as an ASSET.

 

We believe this is why our accounts were changed from 'Current' to 'Loan' accounts without our knowledge.

 

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