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    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton   MCOL Northampton N1 ? Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ? New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?   If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form.   This has been uploaded in my previous messages in the bundle of documents     Name of the Claimant ? Asset Link Capital (NO5) Limited   How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self   Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to./   14/02/2020   ^^^^^ NOTE : WHEN CALCULATING THE TIMELINE - PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DATE ON THE CLAIMFORM IS ONE IN THE COUNT [example: Issue date 01.03.2014 + 19 days (5 days for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = 19.03.2014 + 14 days to submit defence = 02.04.2014] = 33 days in total Not relevant as his claim was set aside, and has now been brought to the court again by the claimant       Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please see bundle of documents in previous thread   What is the total value of the claim? £10,734.1    Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred?  Yes - this is one of the grounds for getting it set aside   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ?  Apparently 2000   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? I do not recall entering into an agreement with Barclays   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ?  It was, but it is not anymore   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned to Asset Link   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? No - although they have provided a copy of the assignment notice in their bundle of docs for the hearing   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? I don't remember - but again a copy of a letter has been provided (see bundle on previous thread)   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ?  No    Why did you cease payments?  2015   What was the date of your last payment? December 2015   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved?  I wrote to Barclaycard back in 2015 to ask them to send proof of the original agreement but they just sent me a reconstituted document which had no personal deals on relating to me   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? yes - step change took control and set up payments of £1 pm
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    • On MCOL there are 2 times the case stay is lifted. Once between filing the defence and them submitting a DQ, and then again between them submitting the DQ and the court issuing one to the defendant.   Is that normal or is there anything I should be aware of?   Thanks as always 
    • It's difficult to advise what to do because there are so many ifs and buts. In the majority of cases where a PPC start a court claim they go all the way to the final hearing. However, in a minority of cases, and by no means a tiny minority, they have no real intention of going all the way to a final hearing. They know their case is rubbish and they know it will cost them a hefty wad to send a solicitor to court (remember solicitors' costs are capped at £50 at small claims).  They pretend they are going all the way to court to intimidate the motorist into giving in.  Yes, the pretence often includes paying the hearing fee.  Yes, UKPC often do this.  And no, they haven't produced a WS (so far). I suppose it depends on how much you have spent on flights (and accommodation?) and if this is refundable v the approx £250 at stake if you lose the case.
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Reader & mightyacorn - if they are both MBNA agreements, you may be better starting a new thread in the MBNA forum where you will receive more specific advice. This is such a large thread your enquiries stand the chance of getting lost, also MBNA seem to have their own peculiar way of doing things :rolleyes:

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I have several accounts in dispute. I got a letter today from my OC which waffles on about the copies they've send in the past. Curiously, they also state that they have sent a copy of the terms ' both current and historic'. Are they implying that current PTs can be applied retroactively? Thing agreement is pre 2004 and a dud, anyway, but are they chancing their arm by saying this?

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I have several accounts in dispute. I got a letter today from my OC which waffles on about the copies they've send in the past. Curiously, they also state that they have sent a copy of the terms ' both current and historic'. Are they implying that current PTs can be applied retroactively? Thing agreement is pre 2004 and a dud, anyway, but are they chancing their arm by saying this?

 

what they are saying is that there is a clause in the original T & C's which allows them to change the T & C's anytime they like

 

i have always thought this to be a grossly unfair contractual term and even more so now that the EU have brought out a new dictat on unfair terms and i hope soon that someone will test it out

 

as things stand now the creditor could give you 30 days notice that the minimum payment is 25% of the balance

 

change a term so that you have to pay in person at a branch standing on one leg whistling god save the queen

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do u need to be hopping when u whistle whilest on one leg?

What if u cant whistle?

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of course i did0- also noticed she is in Norfolk so she must be a bootiful Bird!

 

 

I applied for a bernard matthews Job was over qualified.

 

Oh says yes i am a bootiful bird.

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I know i am from norfolk born and breed as they say.

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lol

 

born norwich dragged up norwich now in great yarmouth.

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what they are saying is that there is a clause in the original T & C's which allows them to change the T & C's anytime they like

 

i have always thought this to be a grossly unfair contractual term and even more so now that the EU have brought out a new dictat on unfair terms and i hope soon that someone will test it out

 

as things stand now the creditor could give you 30 days notice that the minimum payment is 25% of the balance

 

change a term so that you have to pay in person at a branch standing on one leg whistling god save the queen

 

I won't put up with that - no way! What you've said was exactly what I was thinking. The account I was referring to is definitely unenforceable but I get the impression that the bank is trying anything to get the repayments started again and I do expect this (and my other 'in dispute' accounts) to go to court at some point; I can't see them giving up. What I am now concerned about is the possibilty of the goal posts being moved, as it were, for I am sure that is what the bank troll was hinting at in his recent letter.

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what they are saying is that there is a clause in the original T & C's which allows them to change the T & C's anytime they like

 

 

I can undersatnd a company changing its T&Cs, but there is no way that they can expect these changes to applied retroactively!! Or am I wrong? If I am, we all may as well give up now.

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Hi Caggers

 

Could you please give your opinions in regards to the agreement below. The prescribed terms are incorrect in that the payment schedule does not agree with the stated APR. It took me a mammoth amount of time to actually work out the figures but I need make sure what I am saying is correct.

 

Here's an extract from my skeleton argument in regards to this;

 

.....5.The written agreement the claimant cities in the Particulars of Claim do not comply with section 61 of the consumer credit act 1974 which states that for an agreement to be compliant with the regulations it must embody within the agreement, the prescribed terms laid out in the S11983/1553. Without the prescribed terms the agreement does not conform to section 60(1) CCA 1974 and therefore cannot be properly executed as described in section 61(1) CCA 1974.

6. The purported agreement is flawed in that the payment schedule does not correspond with the stated APR. The agreement states;

The amount of credit is stated as being “12,812.00” the stated APR is stated as being “32.6%”

The interest charged on the amount of credit is therefore £4,176.712

The first payment being on the collection of the goods i.e. “On the Date of this Agreement” is stated as £3,408.00

It then states 47 payments of £447.88, which amounts to a total of £21,050.36

Now this would bring the total amount payable to £28,635.072, which is not correct as the agreement states the total amount payable as being £24,458.36

 

7. The agreement refers to a first instalment of £3408, which includes the documentation fee of £225, the first payment being on collection of goods. This is incorrect as the repayments should be repaying the loan and the deposit paid should not be stated as being part of the loan.

 

As the documentation fee is included within the first payment and is therefore being treated as credit and not within the ‘Total Charge for Credit”. The agreement therefore fails to give regard to s9(4) of the CCA 1974 which provides that;

 

"an item entering into the total charge for credit shall not be treated as credit even though time is allowed for its payment".

 

The agreement was therefore not properly executed, and should be deemed unenforceable since it fails to contain the "prescribed terms" namely that it does not correctly stipulate a payment schedule that agrees with the stated APR.

The prescribed terms are outlined in schedule 6 column 2 of the Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1553) inter alia: -....

 

Here is the said agreement;

 

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7063/xagreementpg1.jpg

 

Here is a link to my thread incase your interested in the full story

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/189249-notice-return-goods-court.html

 

 

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Hi Caggers

 

Could you please give your opinions in regards to the agreement below. The prescribed terms are incorrect in that the payment schedule does not agree with the stated APR. It took me a mammoth amount of time to actually work out the figures but I need make sure what I am saying is correct.

 

Here's an extract from my skeleton argument in regards to this;

 

 

 

Here is the said agreement;

 

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7063/xagreementpg1.jpg

 

Here is a link to my thread incase your interested in the full story

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/189249-notice-return-goods-court.html

 

 

Thanks in advance

 

i'm no expert BUt i think you should also feature on the "documention

 

i think you will find that the courts would say that the inclusion of this for interest charges would make the documentation fee exhorbitantly expensive and as a one off fee should not have been subject to you paying interest on it over 47 months at 32%

 

if this is the case then it makes the whole agreement unenforceable

 

i would suggst and accountant would be a good place to obtain an independent confirmation of your figures and exactly what this documentation fee actually cost you over 47 months

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Blondie can you post the two CCA agreements up into this thread, I notice there are no cancellation rights on the agreement and I'm not sure if there is a significance.

 

Post them here ->>Is My Agreement Enforceable - Useful

 

 

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Hi Caggers

Can anyone give me any advice, this is the link to my thread

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/203669-ccj-copes-solicitors-arrow.html

the agreements i have already attached a couple of posts up

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'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question - I'm pretty new to this

 

I have a loan that is settled and a credit card that is settled - can I still send for the agreements to see if they are enforeceable - they were taken out in 2000. If so and they are unenforceable can I claim back waht I have already paid them?

 

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Just a quick note to say that's two of my HBOS cards unenforceable, as they can't provide the correct paperwork. Even still, they are trying to accuse me of avoiding liability, ie, denying the existence of the debt, which I am not.

 

Be aware of this: it's duplicitous, an attempt to trick you into saying that you don't owe them anything, which they could then use against you at a later date. Choose your words carefully and don't let them trick you!

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i'm no expert BUt i think you should also feature on the "documention

 

i think you will find that the courts would say that the inclusion of this for interest charges would make the documentation fee exhorbitantly expensive and as a one off fee should not have been subject to you paying interest on it over 47 months at 32%

 

if this is the case then it makes the whole agreement unenforceable

 

i would suggst and accountant would be a good place to obtain an independent confirmation of your figures and exactly what this documentation fee actually cost you over 47 months

 

Thanks

 

This is a good point. The thing is the documentation fee should never have been treated as part of loan. Do you know if this would could be related to some sort of "unfair terms" law/act?

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