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Yes you should take this view, but this is nothing to worry about you will be fine. you have a very well edited WX im sure although I haven't actually looked at it because I can't seem to work out which one is the new one anymore, although I do remember something previously. however if i remember it right its just a lost parcel via packlink and no insurance which frankly is pretty straightforward and should be a copy of farooq v evri. Have I understood the case right? Please tell me if not as there is rather a lot on this forum -
well in every other thread advocate or not evri always send a cpr27.9 because they never turn up. I don't think we've seen a thread here without one. Maybe @BankFodder can tell me if i've missed one, but all of the ones I can remember there has been a cpr 27.9 notice even when an advocate has attended and from my own knowledge also I've always had CPR 27.9 advocate or not. I dont think there is a single thread on this forum where evri have shown up themselves and similarly I don't think there is a single thread where they dont send notice (aside from this)
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OK, thanks. Jake Burgess is well known to us - and well despised. Friday would be great as then there would be the weekend to tweak things. 👍 -
Thanks FTMDave. VCS's WS was from Jake Burgess. I will draft my WS and share with copies of court order, and VCS's exhibits asap. I'm away tomorrow so more likely Friday. Thanks again for the advice -
Thanks. Time to move on this. 1. You need to tweak the magnificent WS that dx suggested. Adapt it to your case. It should take you about half an hour (I recently wrote a WS from scratch during a train journey which wasn't optimum 😂 with lots of cross referencing and it took me an hour an half, you have one already cooked thanks to dx). 2. We will add bits to ridicule VCS's WS - it's rich that they moan about your defence being standard when their Particulars of Claim are too and also include the rubbish about keeper/driver that has been criticised numerous times by the courts. 3. Who wrote their WS? Was it Mohammed Wali or Ambreen Arshad or have they got someone new? 4. We need to see a good chunk of VCS's exhibits. I don't get why we have to keep asking you for things rather than them being volunteered. Isn't it obvious that we can't help you compile a decent WS if we can't see what the other side is arguing? All their silly signs aren't needed, but any contract with the landowner is important as are all the photos of your vehicle. 5. You've never shown us the court order which fixes the hearing date. It should be obvious we need to see what the court has ordered. This is the second time we've asked. 6. VCS were using Elms Legal. Are Elms Legal still involved?
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The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.
Frankly I don't think that is any accident.
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