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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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It will say something like "Thank you for your e-mail, we will respond to it sometime before the universe becomes a black hole, please call XXX so our trained torturers can harang you.

 

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Go on to the post office web site you can check. Although sometimes it takes a couple of days for it to show up. There is a number on your receipt you can ring to confirm delivery

 

Thanks i will wait a couple of days & then have a go!

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Just been reading another thread & they said they can track the recorded delivery letters.

How do i do that?

Sorry never sent anything recorded delivery before!

 

Tracey, this is the Royal Mail Track & Trace Site

 

You should find a number at the bottom of the recorded delivery slip - like this

DL098622585GB (This was one of mine). Just type it in and hit the button - it will come up with information on your letter.

 

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Finally got on the post office tracking site, it shows only 1 letter, the one to moorecroft has been delivered, the ones to legal direct & littlewoods say check back another time!

Should i be concerned??

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I am no longer welcome on CAG

i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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Got a call from 01614752875, told them i wasnt in!!!

When i asked who was calling they said its private i've been harrassed in the past & dont want to talk to them but how can i foind out who they are?

Put number in yahoo & got a link to a thread here but it had been stopped. But it said something about parasite numbers & the other link went to a forum who said they were dodgey & it could be from national debt line!

Can anyone help or shed some light for me?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CHOOSE TO REFUSE JJUST DIAL 14258** AND THEY ARE BARRED FROM CALLING YOU AGAIN - NOW WORKS ON INT. NUMBERS TOO. MAIL CHOOSE TO REFUSE ON [email protected] for further info

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OK finally goy an update:

Got a letter from Moorcroft stating:

''We write further to your recent letter. We can now confirm that on this occasion we are unable to provide a copy of the signed credit agreement requested. We therefore return the postal order submitted in that connection.

We are now closing this account & returning it to our client''

 

Not sure if 'hteir' client is Legal Direct or Littlewoods!!

Had a letter from littlewoods:-

 

''With reference to letter dated 13th May 2007, requesting a copy of the credit agreement.

Under sections 77 & 78 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 we are required to provide a copy of the excuted agreement (if any). On the assumption that you have signed the agreement supplied to you at the time of opening your account. We enclose a copy of our agreement, which complies with the requirements of the Consumer Credit (Cancellation Notices & Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983.

 

They are trying (& succeeding!) to blind me with legal talk.

Heres a pic of the UNSIGNED (by me) ca, it looks lile a standard photocpoy, just info, there is a seperate box at the top (not shown in pic) with my name & present address (i was at another address when i first opened the account)

Hopefully someone out there can decipher it & tell me how to respond.

 

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Thankyou sooo much to everyone for your advice.

I have not heard from Moocroft by phone since but have received what i consider a very nasty & dodgy letter. At the top in red it says:

 

Pre-Court Division = Just a different Monkey Department

 

''We have been instructed by Littlewoods Extra Ltd to collect your overdue debt.

It is a legal requirement to send a notice of intended litigation ( They are in breach of OFT regs here threatening you with something they may not even have the authority to do ) before legal proccedings in the county court are They cannot say this again they are in breach of OFT Regulations issued. This letter fulfils this requirement even if it has not actually been read by you. What a load of CRAP

 

To prevent legal action from being taken it is essential that you settle this debt without delay. Payment should be submitted in full within 7 days or contact made with thiis office immediatly by telephone, or letter with your payment offer. Failure to contact us by 10am on 09/05/07 may result in legal proceedings being issued against you without further notice.

 

We draw your attention that is I take it this should be IF judgement & an order for repayment in full is obtained and remains unpaid enforcement of debt may be sought by one or more of the following procedures.

1. Warrant of execution by bailiffs against goods owned

2. application for attachment of earnings order with your present or future employer

3. application for a charging order on any property you may own or are purchasing under a mortgage..... ''

 

This is a SCARE letter designed to get you to ring their nasty monkeys who will pressurise you into making a payment you cannot afford.

They have a hell of a lot of legal steps to go through befor they can even attempt to bring this near a court.

To be honest its not worth the paper it's written on other than for you to report them to the OFT and Trading Standards

 

Now i have made regular payments to Littlewoods so i dont know why they have passed the debt on. Littlewoods did not notify me that they were passing the debt on, infact i spoke to them only a few weeks ago to confirm my arrangement when they asked me to contact them to see if i could increase my payments (which i couldnt/didnt)!!

 

Moorcraft said i had to contact them by 10am 0n 9/5/07 i only got the letter on Saturday 12th!! THEY ALWAYS DO THIS ITS A STANDARD PLOY

 

How do i deal with this?

My gut feeling is to ring as i'm in panic mode!

Or should i write & send a financial statement stating i cant increase payments & the CCA letter?

If i ring do i tell them i'm gonna send a CCA letter or should i keep that quite???

Should i ring Littlewoods & ask why they passed iton & why they didnt tell me?

 

Hope someone out there can help with some advice

Thanks

I could paper the walls with these letters. Read what I have highlighted in red

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OK finally goy an update:

Got a letter from Moorcroft stating:

''We write further to your recent letter. We can now confirm that on this occasion we are unable to provide a copy of the signed credit agreement requested. We therefore return the postal order submitted in that connection.

We are now closing this account & returning it to our client''

 

Not sure if 'hteir' client is Legal Direct or Littlewoods!!

Had a letter from littlewoods:-

 

''With reference to letter dated 13th May 2007, requesting a copy of the credit agreement.

Under sections 77 & 78 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 we are required to provide a copy of the excuted agreement (if any). On the assumption that you have signed the agreement supplied to you at the time of opening your account. We enclose a copy of our agreement, which complies with the requirements of the Consumer Credit (Cancellation Notices & Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983.

 

They are trying (& succeeding!) to blind me with legal talk.

Heres a pic of the UNSIGNED (by me) ca, it looks lile a standard photocpoy, just info, there is a seperate box at the top (not shown in pic) with my name & present address (i was at another address when i first opened the account)

Hopefully someone out there can decipher it & tell me how to respond.

 

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You posted as I was typing

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Thanks ODC, this site has been a real eye opener & a godsend!!

Any help on how to reply to littlewoods regarding my last post?

I read their letter as if they are saying i dont neccessarily need to have a ca, & that i should have it! & that they have done what is required of them by law!

Are they right?

Do i need to reply?

What do i say?

 

Any help appreciated

Thanks

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Hello. I've just read your thread as i'm dealing with a different DCA acting on behalf of Littlewoods.

 

As far as i'm aware, you don't need to do anything because they have not complied with your request for a true copy of the executed agreement. They've just sent a standard document, which they admit in their letter. When are the expiry dates for the CCA?

 

I'm sure some-one more experienced will clarify everything. Have you read any of the other Littlewoods threads? They seem to be very (un)popular on this site!! :oops:

I'm midway through the tunnel, but getting closer to the light.

 

 

 

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Could I just post this shortcut as there seems to be occasionaly an abiguity about what people think they are asking for The Office of Fair Trading: Consumer Credit Act

 

Plus I concur with Hopeful1

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Thank you for concurring Rory32 :) !

 

I really must log off now and go to bed. This site is so obsessive!

 

Night night all ;)

I'm midway through the tunnel, but getting closer to the light.

 

 

 

Please be aware that i am not an expert in anything!

I may offer an opinion, but the final decision is yours.

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Could I just post this shortcut as there seems to be occasionaly an abiguity about what people think they are asking for The Office of Fair Trading: Consumer Credit Act

 

Plus I concur with Hopeful1

 

Sorry Rory i dont understand what your saying (too many big words for me lol!)

I looked at the link but found it confusing, i've read other threads & thought i had to write to littlewoods stating they had not sent me a true copy (if they have!)

Have they sent me the proper CCA or not??

I'm guessing not, but am only guessing!

They've just passed the 12 days but not 30 days.

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Tracyc - its 44 days in total - 12 + 2 days when they default, if you are paying them you can stop. then its another 30 days and they commit a criminal offence. Littlewoods have, in total, sent me 2 different types of blank agreements- they don't go away easily. It will be up to you after this period how you play it. At the moment just sit tight and don't do anything.

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It's not 44 days in total.

 

The 12 + 2 days are working days (so Saturdays, Sundays and bank holidays are not included). The 30 days are calender days except when the 30th day would fall on a Sunday or bank holiday, in this case it would be 31 days.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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It's not 44 days in total.

 

The 12 + 2 days are working days (so Saturdays, Sundays and bank holidays are not included). The 30 days are calender days except when the 30th day would fall on a Sunday or bank holiday, in this case it would be 31 days.

Its not actually 30 days. Its one calendar month so if they default on 28th January then they commit the offence on 28th February.

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I looked at the link but found it confusing, i've read other threads & thought i had to write to littlewoods stating they had not sent me a true copy (if they have!)

Have they sent me the proper CCA or not??

I'm guessing not, but am only guessing!

 

 

bumpety bump!

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They would appear to have sent you a conforming consumer credit agreement. However, in order to pursue you they would need to produce the one that you have signed.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Well i have an update!!

Got a letter from Littlewoods stating

''With reference to your letter i can confirm that we will not be pursuing the above account for the outstanding balance.

As the debt remains unsatisfied this will be noted on our internal file for future reference.

This information will also form part of your records at the Credit Reference Agencies where we share information.

This information will remain on your credit reference file for 6 years.

If you are charged any interest on your account (i'm not) any future interest charges will no longer be applied.''

 

Ok what does this mean in plain English????

Do i not have to pay them now?

What about legal direct who i actually pay the money to - do i have to carry on paying them?? (not heard from them at all - not even after CCA request)

do i write to legal direct & send a copy of this letter???

Any info appreciated - thanks.

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If they do manage to get through to you refuse to answer their security questions.

 

This is for evryone, NEVER, NEVER EVER give out your answers to security questions when its an incoming call. they may be phishing for info.

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This is for evryone, NEVER, NEVER EVER give out your answers to security questions when its an incoming call. they may be phishing for info.

Unfortunately some of the **** carry on regardless. This is when you tell them you are not the Mr X that they are looking for and they should not be talking to you oh yes and mention that you are recording the call and you are sure that te real Mr X will be interested to know they are discussing his personal business.

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