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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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No i never sent it recorded delivery as i joined this site a little far down the the line and never got that crucial advise.

However I did hand deliver them into my local branch, and i went in and asked them to confirm they had forwarded it, and they confirmed they had, as it was logged and just in case i got them to fax it all again whilst i was there.

I have no idea what is going on, i may phone them to see if they have everything

 

Any idea who i should phone.

I have now got a claim number as i submitted my mcol 5 days ago so they are now aware i exist.

 

Any ideas should i phone someone help

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oops my error, i meant 14 days to acknowledge and 14 days to offer a defence, so 28 days and counting. Giving them until 12th May

 

I am so thick sometimes, mind you i have been looking after 3 children under 3yrs and one 6yr old since 7am so my brain is in baby mode, i need to remember to put it back into adult mode at the end of the day.

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I phoned a lovely lady named Krysta, she was really nice, she said she was surprised that i had not received anything from them, but said it did not matter now that i had filled an MCOL as this will make them aware i exist and have a claim against them, She also said, i may get an offer of settlement in the next few weeks, as i had not been sent one before.

 

I wont hold my breadth, but it would have been nice to have been offered a settlement, just so i can say no give me the lot!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Oh well lets see, i expect them to ignore me again until the very last minute, its the story of my life.

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Caz, The trouble with Krys, is she has that much work load she forgets as soon as she puts the phone down, she does try but overworked hmmmmmm partly my fault LOL...

The thing is they wont give you a serious offer until the court date is looming, you will prob get an offer for 50%.

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Ok the plot thickens, I had a letter from the court confirming the dates for barclays to acknowledge and put in their defence. Also saying it was posted to Barclays 1st class on the 10th April.

 

And today I got a letter from Michele Wallis, Sales and service manager, saying they were sorry i was dissatisfied with their service and they will investigate it further and would get back to me by the 10th May.

 

Now seeing as their deadline is the 29th April, it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

But at least it is a letter, my first one, so now i know they know i exist.

Watch this space..............................:confused:

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Ok the plot thickens, I had a letter from the court confirming the dates for barclays to acknowledge and put in their defence. Also saying it was posted to Barclays 1st class on the 10th April.

 

And today I got a letter from Michele Wallis, Sales and service manager, saying they were sorry i was dissatisfied with their service and they will investigate it further and would get back to me by the 10th May.

 

Now seeing as their deadline is the 29th April, it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

But at least it is a letter, my first one, so now i know they know i exist.

Watch this space..............................:confused:

 

yes normal. left hand right hand :D

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Caz, The trouble with Krys, is she has that much work load she forgets as soon as she puts the phone down, she does try but overworked hmmmmmm partly my fault LOL...

The thing is they wont give you a serious offer until the court date is looming, you will prob get an offer for 50%.

 

dar3n does love krys ;):D at the end of the day barclays will settle but not until you have a court hearing date. just play the game and trust me you will win like dar3n keeps saying :D

 

they didnt go to court for the guy on here who won £37,000! im telling you 100% barclays will not go to court with yours or mine or anyones :D im on my third claim with woolwich/barclays. :D

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unfortunately, Barclays DO go to court.

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but only in exceptional circumstances [hels bells]

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but this is a case where there is a lot more at stake than just repaying simple charges.

 

As Kimmy states, GENERALLY B's DO NOT/ WILL NOT attend court.

 

heres a quote from my settlement letter

....we disagree with your legal analysis that the charges levied to your account with B's amount to penalty clauses and are unfair. We do, however, recognise that the sum at issue between us is relatively modest and as such, it is not cost effective for either party to take this matter to trial. Therefore in order to avoid the inevitable time and cost associated with pursuing the claim to trial, we are prepared to settle your claim........
I hope this boosts the confidence of everyone presently claiming.

This, I suspect will be the standard explaination for settling out of court.

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Hi all,

 

Can i just clarify time lines with you all.

 

I filled my mcol on the 5th April, i received a letter from the court on the 10th April saying

 

Your claim was issued on the 10th April, the court sent it to the defendant on the 10th April and will be deemed to be served on the 15th April

The defendant has until the 29th April to reply

Either to pay, (which we know they wont do)

fIle an Acknowledgment of service (which will allow the defendant 28 days from the date of service to file a defence (this will be the 14th May)

Dispute the claim

Admit (which again we know they will not do)

Admit only part owed (again this will not happen)

Not reply at all

 

 

So if i am correct, if they do none of the above by the 29th April, then I can claim a default

If they acknowledge then they get until the 14th May to file a defence.

 

So when i check my claim on the mcol site, it should change once something happens.

At the moment it is still saying Issued.

 

Hope i have all this right.

 

Any advise on a good bank to open my parachute account with, as i have not done this yet.

Caz:confused:

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Hi all, just a quick update

My claim has been acknowledged just 2 days after being deemed served, that is very quick isnt it, i thought they would take the full 14 days.

 

So now they need to file a defence, so watch this space

Caz

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:p Hi all

I have decided to start a thread on the Woolwich site as well, i have one going on the Barclays site, but as my claim is against the Woolwich (now owned by Barclays), i thought i would put one on here.

 

I filed my mcol on the 5/4 and it was deemed served on the 15/4, and they acknowledged it today 17/4.

So as i understand it i now have to wait 28 days from the 15/4 which is 13th May.

 

Is this correct? Any advice,

 

Thanks

Caz

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If you don't hear from the court in the meantime, then you can ask for judgement by default.

More than likely though,they will enter a defence at the last moment.

You just have to play it by ear.

 

If you have any questions regarding your claim use the Woolwich thread to post them and the answer will not be far away.

 

 

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Hi tan,

its so hard just sitting about waiting now.

How cool that your 28 days are up tomorrow night will you be entering a judgement by default at midnight tomorrow.

I dont know how you will get through tomorrow, i bet you check at least every hour to see if they have entered a defence.

Let us all know if you get one.

Caz:D

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