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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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Hi 1st post so please be gentle...........

 

Having a bit of a time with 1st Credit at the moment. I am disputing a debt from, I believe, 1999.

 

I have managed to get Connaught to refer the file back to 1st Credit but now I seem to have hit a brick wall.

 

I requested all the info they hold on me under the Data Protection Act and also a copy of the agreement with HSBC they are referring to.

 

They have sent a print of the computer file, which consists of two years worth of phone calls to a mobile that isn't mine but interestingly it also contains a note of a conversation with a "Scott" at Metropolitan saying I made a payment in 2002!!! which is something in definately dispute.

 

Is this sharing of data allowed under the Data Protection Act?

 

Further they say they will only release the Copy Agreement if I send either my passport or driving licence confirming my signature. Is this right?

 

Could do with a bit of help here

 

Hope this makes sense!!!!!!!!

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Hi 1st post so please be gentle...........

 

Having a bit of a time with 1st Credit at the moment. I am disputing a debt from, I believe, 1999.

 

I have managed to get Connaught to refer the file back to 1st Credit but now I seem to have hit a brick wall.

 

I requested all the info they hold on me under the Data Protection Act and also a copy of the agreement with HSBC they are referring to.

 

They have sent a print of the computer file, which consists of two years worth of phone calls to a mobile that isn't mine but interestingly it also contains a note of a conversation with a "Scott" at Metropolitan saying I made a payment in 2002!!! which is something in definately dispute.

 

Is this sharing of data allowed under the Data Protection Act?

 

Further they say they will only release the Copy Agreement if I send either my passport or driving licence confirming my signature. Is this right?

 

Could do with a bit of help here

 

Hope this makes sense!!!!!!!!

 

Asking or proof of ID is a stalling tactic used by the DCA's, you don't have to send them any ID in regards to a CCA request..

 

Is who they are referring to you for sure?

 

When is the last time you acknowledged this debt? Sounds statute barred to me..

Just hate every DCA out there

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Thanks for replying.

 

I have tried and tried with 1st Credit to state that this alleged debt is statute barred (three letters LAST May that they did not respond to). It was only Connaught Collections, threatening a Statuatory Demand, that started all this again. I requested a CCA from them and they reffered me back to 1st Credit.

 

Do I write again to 1st Credit informing them of their obligation to supply me the CCA, statement of account and the Deed of Assignment?

 

Thanks, in advance, for any advice.

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Welcome to the club Finlay07, I'm currently in a long dispute with this company and I'm now taking legal action against them for harassment and slander. I've also got Trading Standards involved and National Debt Helpline who have informed me that they are covering over 40 similar cases regarding these jokers.

 

When it all started I asked for proof and they've done exactly what they did to you by sending a document that has no relevance to me or the account in question. There also refusing to show me any further evidence relating to the matter even though I've told them I'm entitled to it, they still refuse telling me they'll present it in court if they have to.

 

They're a [problem] company who bully people into paying up for debts that have nothing to do with them.

 

Look at these posts and good luck with your case!

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/64655-1st-credit.html

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/73589-1st-credit-being-fair.html

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Matteus - thanks for that bit of information. I will get in touch with National Debtline and see if it's any help to them to know about a 41st complaint.

 

Though mine is a little different in that I don't owe the money... ever... at all...

Number of times I've asked 1st Credit for information that I stil haven't recieved... 55 as at 02/05/07 :!:

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Same here, it looks like a [problem] which they're trying to pull on people. I've been contacted by Abbey who say they've got no record of this and agree that my account I had has been closed since 1997 with a clear balance.

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Update on this.

 

Letter received today saying that they will advising their client about my request for a CCA ( no mention of the statement I also requested) and that this process will take at least a month.

 

I thought they had 12 days to produce the agreement?

 

Lets see what the next chapter is in this never ending saga.

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Finlay07 - that's a standard letter they send to everyone.

 

What happens next is that they ignore it and move on to the next stage of nastygram.

 

If you want to tie them up in knots; use the letter from here to order them to stop phoning you, and send e-mails to them telling them that you refuse to phone their number and that they should write. If my experience is anything to go by you'll keep on getting identical letters telling you to phone.

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Number of times I've asked 1st Credit for information that I stil haven't recieved... 55 as at 02/05/07 :!:

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if the dca does not respond to a CCA request within 12days, there is then another 30 days period that starts. if after that they continue to harrass you, they commiting a criminal offence! threaten them with court action.

 

you do not have to put up with them.

 

dx100uk;)

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Finlay07 - that's a standard letter they send to everyone.

 

What happens next is that they ignore it and move on to the next stage of nastygram.

 

If you want to tie them up in knots; use the letter from here to order them to stop phoning you, and send e-mails to them telling them that you refuse to phone their number and that they should write. If my experience is anything to go by you'll keep on getting identical letters telling you to phone.

Gingerheid and 1st Credit. The legend continues. One of the funniest threads on here

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I cca'd First credit back in october and i have'nt anything since, they have gone all quiet....Anyone else had this?

 

I did the same nearly 2 months ago and I've heard nothing.

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Dear Sir or Madam

 

 

Your Ref : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xx

Account number - xxxxxxxx

Sort Code – xxxxxx

 

 

I wrote to you on the xxxxx (letter 1) and the xxxxx (letter 2) asking for some relevant information. I enclose copies of the two letters which were both sent via recorded delivery.

 

 

You wrote back to me on the xxxxxxxx without answering any of the questions put to you in the original letter.

 

 

As 28 days has now passed from the date of the 2nd letter you are now in breach of your duties under Section 78 of the Consumer Credit Act. If you do not answer my original questions and reply within 7 days I will have no choice but to escalate the matter to the relevant authorities including the Banking Ombudsman, Office of Fair Trading and the Information Commissioner's Office.

 

 

Yours faithfully

 

adapt & send this

 

dx100uk;)

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Still very quiet on the 1st Credit front. The 12 + 30 days are up (yesterday) and I was wondering what, if anything, I do now.

 

Do I

 

a) Write to them reminding them of their obligations

 

b) Inform Trading Standards and if so which one. My local one or 1st credits?

 

c) Do nothing for the time being.

 

Any thoughts appreciated.

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Still very quiet on the 1st Credit front. The 12 + 30 days are up (yesterday) and I was wondering what, if anything, I do now.

 

Do I

 

a) Write to them reminding them of their obligations

NO They are well aware of the law. They cannot produce the agreement so therefore cannot enforce it.

b) Inform Trading Standards and if so which one. My local one or 1st credits? Personally I would complain to both

 

c) Do nothing for the time being. Exactly. Have no doubt that your friends in 1st Credit will be along with a bunch of new threats soon enough.

 

Any thoughts appreciated.

 

 

I have given you my thoughts

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Hi Finlay

Just read your thread, very interesting. I too am having a nightmare with 1st credit..see my own thread 1st credt/lloyds who are they! I have sent them a CCA and received exactly the same letter you got re client..month etc. They have missed the 12 days and are now eating into the 30. Waiting until the 25th May to make complaint. BUT 3 days ago I received a letter from LSC Solitiors threatening me with legal action..I followed gingerheids advice and emailed 1st Credit re this letter. Now it is a waiting game again..will watch your thread with interest. Thanks to everybody on this thread for the advice given to Finlay, it has helped me alot too.

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