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    • quite usual for couriers to swap parcel contents, though it could have been done by someone at the 1st address before it got to where it should have .... ebay. just to clarify as you seem to be not understanding/reading some posts correctly.   you should always ignore a dca totally unless you ever get a letter of claim in the post. you never ever ring a DCA.. they LIE. no!! no!! they dont own the debt, their txt says our client ebay. only the OWNER of a debt can take you to court. and ebay dont do court. i find it quite amazing that you have numerous threads about ebay/paypal regarding issues since you joined in 2011 but have never read any of the advice previously given. dx    
    • so where are the one with this HMTL link? and when were they sent.? pdf's merged and properly named. dx  
    • Hi Just had a wee look at your PDF and nothing really to add. Now as for the Court Fees if these are in there Claim then that is for the Judge to decide whether they accept the recovery of Court Fees in the Claim. If recovery of Court Fees are not in the Claim and they try to recover these via your deposit then you dispute this with the Tenancy deposit scheme your deposit is protected in and point out these costs should have been in there Court Claim which they failed to do and is there error.  
    • The postcode is an important point. You cannot be in two postcodes at the same time and the contract only covers the F area and not the E area where Met placed your car. See there is some   advantages in with idiots.🙂 The other fact about the electric spaces is that as you are not allowed to park there, the sign is prohibitory so cannot  offer a contract anyway. and another biggie in your favour is you were not the driver and the PCN does not comply with PoFA. I had another look yesterday at the PCN and there is another error since it does not say that the driver is responsible to pay the charge during the first 28 days. Schedule 4 Section 9 [2][b] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; so that is another nail in their coffin and it s something I would include in  your WS since that is one that every Judge would accept as a failure to comply. As far as their WS is concerned some of them leave it to the last minute to prevent Defendants being able to counteract their claims. However if they leave it too late [ie after the stipulated time] you can email yours to the Court on the last day and complain at the bottom of your WS that you have not received it and therefore you are asking the Court not to accept their WS. In your case it isn't that important since you have a virtual walkover in Court. I would be surprised if they don't concede beforehand. It is a lost cause for them. Not that I would advocate parking in their electric bay in future with a petrol driven car again.🙂
    • I think the post code 0 v O is nonsense personally and would just annoy the judge.  Cases are decided informally at small claims and judges are not interested in the weakest of trivialities. Understood re FY v EY.  So add to the Unfair PCN section that the PCN includes the wrong post code and places you at a residential area rather than the car park in question. You should wait till 7 June before filing your WS - as a Litigant-in-Person you wont't be penalised for being a day late - to see if MET's WS turns up.  It will also give you a chance to see if they have paid the hearing fee.  If it doesn't turn up you can attack them for defying court directions.  If it does turn up you can ridicule their arguments.  Win win. Also you can see if they have bottled it - which they have done with the last two cases we have here. I think the exact points of your WS have become a tad confusing - and I have heartily contributed to the confusion! - so can you please add the latest version.
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Not heard a dickybird yet, I did email their Manchester/Salford office the other Saturday. I was highly tempted to call in their Mount Street Mcr office on Wednesday morn' but was a bit pushed for time (multi drop driver).

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dear me. they have been collecting on this account for 8 years but dont have a CCA agreement............if you claimed back the payments you have made over 8 years at 8%.....

 

new car dave???

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

alliance and Leicester.WON

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can you claim back payements if they cant produce documents? know im thread jacking a bit, but ive got a catalogue who look like they cant produce an agreement, can i get payments back?

Me Vs AA/Blair Oliver - Defaulted on CCA, Committed Criminal Offence, started chasing payment

 

Me Vs Great Universal - Wrote off the 2k balance, couldnt supply docs

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/74209-me-littlewoods-catalogue.html

 

My Friend Vs Lowell Portfolio - Balance written off, all action stopped!

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/75075-my-friend-lowell-victory.html

 

My Friend Vs Empire Catalogue - Balance Cleared

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/75713-my-friend-empire-droyds.html

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More rubbish in the post today! Suppose this is their response to Wednesday...!

 

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CCA request is defaulted today, so their payment gets stopped on Monday, bit of a bummer because monthly payment only went out on Wed's, but on reflection by the time they realise they're missing it they'll have simultaneously committed the offence :p

 

Can't wait to get home for the post these days, used to hide their letters in a drawer once upon a time!

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Love the bit next instalment £0.00 netxt due 00/00/00

 

You better send the a cheque dated 00/00/00 in the amount of £ 0.00

 

oursoles

 

Just extending the rope now! If they do anymore i'm going to send them a shovvel too!

 

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More rubbish in the post today! Suppose this is their response to Wednesday...!

 

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CCA request is defaulted today, so their payment gets stopped on Monday, bit of a bummer because monthly payment only went out on Wed's, but on reflection by the time they realise they're missing it they'll have simultaneously committed the offence :p

 

Can't wait to get home for the post these days, used to hide their letters in a drawer once upon a time!

 

Lol- you're very late with your payment dave- been due since the year dot...:D (I sent you a scales click and you went up to two pips :) )

Just hate every DCA out there

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Indeed! T Y so much! It's so difficult to believe that just 6 months ago I would have hidden in my bedroom at the thought of RW or Wescot etc... calling...

 

And now, thanks to CAG i'm confident enough to take them on 1 2 1 on the 'phone!

 

And moreso, i'm confident enough to be giving advise as well!!!

 

Regards, Dave.

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Advise needed re this lot please Dave.

 

I have started my own thread called Robinson, Way (ex Capital One) and would appreciate your input.

 

I would have sent link to thread but haven't a clue how to do it.

 

Thanks,

 

Tricia.

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can you claim back payements if they cant produce documents? know im thread jacking a bit, but ive got a catalogue who look like they cant produce an agreement, can i get payments back?

 

It's not as simple as it seems. Although they have not produced a CCA, they will have a Deed of Assignment from the original creditor which proved the existence of a debt.

 

Therefore, if you take them to court for non-compliance of a CCA and a refund of all payments made, you will lose because they have a D of A. Although the debt cannot be re-enforced without a CCA, you will be landed with a bill for court costs because you have not proved your case against the DCA either.

 

Of course, you could take them to court on the assumption that they do not/can't locate a D of A... but that seems a huge gamble.

 

Believe me, I have tried to get round this issue in all kinds of ways.... but for now, I have settled for a level of contentment because they can no longer get my money. :lol: . As there is over £2k outstanding on one account... (same creditor) I believe that this balances things up very nicely.

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Advise needed re this lot please Dave.

 

I have started my own thread called Robinson, Way (ex Capital One) and would appreciate your input.

 

I would have sent link to thread but haven't a clue how to do it.

 

Thanks,

 

Tricia.

 

Just go to your thread and copy the FULL URL after you've clicked on your thread.

 

I'll watch out for it! :)

 

Regards, Dave.

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I have an update.....!

 

RW&C have finally admitted they have to comply with my CCA request!

 

A bit of a result considering the bulls**t they give out and what they do with the £1 payment...

 

I'll scan later, but letter seems to suggest that request will go 1 of 2 routes!

Enforceable or Unenforceable...

 

I might add... If it's enforceable, i'll be paying the F&FS to get rid of it!

(Or, I may just try and get a little more knocked off!)

 

But finally, have got acknowledgement of CCA request! You just need to keep chipping away at them!

 

*Will post letter later!*

 

Dave.

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So, they've FINALLY observed the CCA request! Got it today, the day after it goes into default!

 

Here it is, there seems to be a finallity in their response! In as much that it will either be enforceable or it won't...

 

Here's the letter...!

 

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Dave.

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http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/76712-robinson-way-ex-capital.html

 

Hope this is what you meant Dave, I'm still learning my way round these things and must say I appreciate all the snippets you experienced folks have for us newbies.

 

Got some advice from Priority1 who popped in and it seems sound. What says you?

 

Tricia. :)

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Hope this is what you meant Dave, I'm still learning my way round these things and must say I appreciate all the snippets you experienced folks have for us newbies.

 

Got some advice from Priority1 who popped in and it seems sound. What says you?

 

Tricia. :)

 

I've replied on your thread, i'll watch for updates too :)

 

You've got to keep chipping away with RW&C. Eventually the wall will come down and they'll submit to your request. They just like to play silly games! :confused:

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Hope this is what you meant Dave, I'm still learning my way round these things and must say I appreciate all the snippets you experienced folks have for us newbies.

 

Got some advice from Priority1 who popped in and it seems sound. What says you?

 

Tricia. :)

 

I might add, if you press them you'll get a 50% reduction to settle in F&FS !

 

Dave...

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I might add, if you press them you'll get a 50% reduction to settle in F&FS !

 

Dave...

On the other hand Dave they may not be able to produce the requested document. Im following this with interest as Im a few steps behind you with this shower

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.... and if they don't produce it, then you pay them nothing until they can.... and get it re-enforced in court. This is why I never write reminder letters. It is in my interests if they cannot locate a CCA.... and if they cannot comply with a legal request, it becomes their problem and not mine.

 

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.... and if they don't produce it, then you pay them nothing until they can.... and get it re-enforced in court. This is why I never write reminder letters. It is in my interests if they cannot locate a CCA.... and if they cannot comply with a legal request, it becomes their problem and not mine.

 

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Exactly they say you owe them money. Its up to them to prove it. MAKE THEM

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It's not as simple as it seems. Although they have not produced a CCA, they will have a Deed of Assignment from the original creditor which proved the existence of a debt.

 

Therefore, if you take them to court for non-compliance of a CCA and a refund of all payments made, you will lose because they have a D of A. Although the debt cannot be re-enforced without a CCA, you will be landed with a bill for court costs because you have not proved your case against the DCA either.

 

Of course, you could take them to court on the assumption that they do not/can't locate a D of A... but that seems a huge gamble.

 

Believe me, I have tried to get round this issue in all kinds of ways.... but for now, I have settled for a level of contentment because they can no longer get my money. :lol: . As there is over £2k outstanding on one account... (same creditor) I believe that this balances things up very nicely.

 

 

P1, don't know if you've read janets (moderator) bank charges thread? Like I said at the beginning of this thread, I can afford to play games with this one... If it comes back that they have an acceptable copy of the original agreement, i'll try and get a bit more on the F&FS and pay it. If not i'll start going down the route as if it were bank charges... prelim, lba, etc... We'll never get the better of these ppl if we don't try will we? And then if I can do it...........! A few carefully worded letters with the help of the nice ppl here can't do any harm can it?! I think i've already proved that just by chipping away at RW&C and not giving in to their silly games that they give in in the end and comply with the law! Going back to Janets bank charges thread, that's the end result that i'm going for on this, but rather than the MCOL stage i'll be using TS, CAG, common sense, and the FSA.

 

There is a method in my madness!

 

Regards, Dave.

 

DMD full of the 'flu' :(

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