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Hi tumble

 

there are some real stars on this site, and some very good people. I am humbled by the depth of knowledge that the one's who are 'good with words' have.

 

I will post my first draft of my reply as and when i have put it all together... Again i have recieved much support from the wordsters :)

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Hi, I have a little knowlege of th FSMA 2000. This effectively gives the FSA powers to ignore the 1980 Limitations act. In other words it looks likely that consumers can go right back to the 15 year longstop when claiming against financial companies (in re endowments and the like). So as the Babks are also regulated by the FSA I think that they are on weak ground with the 6 years business.

 

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its probalby best to also inlcude the limitations act 32.1.b and c.

 

Proving you made a mistake in paying the charges (32.1.b) is relatively easy.

 

Proving concelament is also possible (32.1.c)

 

If you invoke these and the court agrees with you there is no limitation period at all.

 

Glenn

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Where were you? Next time please

 

 

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defence now sorted, thanks to the guys that have contributed...Just need a few words now about LA and then await the AQ and defence sent from the court..

 

After a lot of thought i have decided not to post it up for now. Various reasons for this but the main one is the constant monitoring of the site, i believe, and therefore don't feel that i want to give them an advantage.

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Jos... do you really think it's got that bad on here?

 

My other half doesn't use this site... but is often joining in when I am discussing things. He thinks that there may be some influence from the banks on here.... I thought he was being silly. What do you think?

 

Anyway... Good luck with your defence. I haven't had to go that far in any of my claims yet... but I am sure I soon will.. Quite scary!!

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I'm not sure about any influence, but if i were to work for Cobbetts i would be on here every day. They can quite easily work out what the next move is and pre empt anything that we do..

 

Maybe its me being paranoid.. I don't have a Tesco Clubcard for much the same reason...LOL

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ROFL tesco clubcard!!!

 

Anyway i think without doubt they are on here but then again they have to decide whether the info psoted is right or not and it can work both ways.

 

I have certainly posted or not information on my claims to 'help' the defendant see my viewpoint at times. whether it works or not is debateable,

 

i guess they may pick out certain threads/posters as worthy of monitoring, i dont for one minute think they read every post on every thread related to the relevant banks.

 

Perhpas we could ask one now!

 

glenn

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Where were you? Next time please

 

 

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Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

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Can you read it if you are not a member? OOoo you could be right... yes, Cobbetts could have snoops to check out what we plan and look for any loop holes in our defence...

 

With this whole defence thing... Do you have to start preparing your own defence when they submit theirs? Or do you have to wait for the court to allocate a date for a hearing? I am not clued up on this yet as I haven't had to go that far.

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Maybe its me being paranoid.. I don't have a Tesco Clubcard for much the same reason...LOL

 

I don't have one either. They collect a great deal of info, those cards do, and use it to target sales right atcha...sorry, improve customer service to a personalised level.:rolleyes:

 

They have helped Tescos to dominate the supermarket sector and greatly improve efficiencies in its supply chain...but I still don't want them knowing when and where I buy my smokes, nor how often I top up my mouthwash! (and yes, it can get that precise).

 

Josa, if they were looking that closely, I think they would have come up with a better strategy by now!! Like rolling over and coughing up the cash straightaway, to save money!:D:D

 

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Just a note on what the banks, card companies ect might be doing on their lunch hours. Well i spoke to someone at Online Finance the other day regarding my claim, and i made reference to CAG on the phone (i have also been plastering the CAG logo all over the letters i send, and envelopes ect, and by the tone in the guys voice and the snearing way he sniggered and said "yes we are all very aware of the consumer action group here thankyou"

It kind of made me think that the guys watching my posts, ok maybe a bit paranoid, but he was very cocky and snearing, too much so if he didnt actively watch or cause trouble on here.

If i was Cobbets or anyone else, i would be, im not sure whether they could actually use anything from here in court though (i doubt it). Though it would give them good ideas on what we are planning.

Me myself, im changing tack now i have had responses back from my SAR's, im afraid i wont be publicly posting any letters i send until a few weeks after they have been posted.

I will just PM certain members to look them over :p

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Better make sure our spelling & punctuation's up to scratch, then.

 

:D

 

I don't care if they're watching or not. Was a Hitchcock movie any the less frightening because you knew who'd done it from the start? Are their charges any more lawful because they know we're coming after them? Is the UTCCR, UCTA, DPA, CCA, various precedents and the principle of common law any weaker because they know we're going to use them?

 

I don't think so. They should be the more worried because there are people who know, or suspect, that someone is engaged in monitoring this site, like some kind of deranged communist party overseer with no social life and personal hygiene problems, and are continuing on with confidence anyway.

 

No matter how many people watch, it doesn't matter. A properly-prepared case will win - and thousands have already gone down that winning path.

 

Any watchers out there would be better employed thinking about how they can make their systems more efficient. Sucking-up suggestions like that will be handy to have on your CV if any cost-cutting redundancies are called for.

 

JMHO

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lol@that westy :lol:

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The tenacity shown by members of this site is commendable and should threads be studied by the opposition, if they had any sense they would advise their defendants / organisation to pay up and save themselves a shed loan on costs for starters. I say keep the thread rolling , with the help and support Ive witnessed on this site, let them do their worst , I bet it still wont be good enough. Cobbetts must be absolutely cleaning up , their partners will be on the rich list next year !!!!!

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I'm finding Cobbetts increasingly pleasant people to deal with.

So long as you keep it 'nothing personal - only business', they're cool.

the bonuses probably help, though!

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Recieved my N150 from the court, duly completed. Now a question or 2..

 

My deadline is 16th March to send it back to the court. What are the advatages, if any, of sending it back today.. both to Cobbets and the court.

 

So to the court and Cobbets i will send:

AQ

Schedules of Charges (Updated)

Draft Directions as per BF Thread.

Reply to the Defence..

 

Is that it?

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Recieved my N150 from the court, duly completed. Now a question or 2..

 

My deadline is 16th March to send it back to the court. What are the advatages, if any, of sending it back today.. both to Cobbets and the court.

 

So to the court and Cobbets i will send:

AQ

Schedules of Charges (Updated)

Draft Directions as per BF Thread.

Reply to the Defence..

 

Is that it?

 

 

I would send it back today mate.

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So to the court and Cobbets i will send:

AQ

Schedules of Charges (Updated)

Draft Directions as per BF Thread.

Reply to the Defence..

 

Is that it?

 

Hi Jos... glad things are moving along for you.

 

I didn't know you had to send a copy of the AQ to cobbetts. I thought the court did that... and I didn't know you had to send another schedule of charges etc...

 

I followed the instructions in the step by step bit... have I missed something???

 

Sorry for sounding a bit vaugue on this. I have filled in 3 Aq's before... and each time I have just filled it in & handed it to the court with the £100.

 

Now I am worrying that I have done it wrong... ARGGGHHHH!!!

 

Maxine

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Hi, Maxine

 

Has anything happened in the case with the AQ you filed but didn't copy? If nothing yet, send them a copy of it, quick!

 

Best wishes and adios

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Personal choice i think Maxine. I just felt that while i'm sat here for another 10 days waiting for the deadline to approach, i may as well put the cat amongst the pigeons and send it over to Cobbets and see what happens.

 

Along with my reply to their defence. After all, they are waiting for me to give up, and if i send it they will then know that there isn't a chance in hell of that happening....

 

Just playing a few games to be honest. One of my learned friends described it as a game of Poker, i want to start playing Bluff..:)

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Bottled it today.. yesterday i faxed over a letter basically trying to show willing and settle without 'using the courts valuable time and resources'.... but then i think i fluffed it and told them that they had no chance of winning and giving them the new total with up to date interest....

 

Oh well, time will tell...

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:lol: lol

 

ahhh well like you said time will tell, it all looks good to the judge because him/her will see that (if it comes to that) that you have made every possible effort to come to an agreement and its the other side that has acted unreasonably mate.

 

stick with it

 

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It could certainly work in your favour Jos, afterall you are offering not to drag it out any further, and they already know they have no chance of winning.

 

Like you say......time will tell.

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