EPC/DCBL PCN - appealed - MFG Esso Cobham

[Buncrana]

Hi folks,

The keeper received correspondence today from DCBL. 

The keeper has received previous correspondence from (Possibly) Parking Eye and Debt Recovery Plus, all of which has been ignored with zero contact with either company.

The keeper has moved house twice since the original PCN but has kept DVLA informed of every move and V5 updated accordingly.

The driver recalls entering the car park but didn't see any signs indicating payment required.

The drivers friend happened to be in the same car park a few days after original PCN was received. Friend is a truck driver and said there is a sign but at truck windscreen height. Driver was in a small vehicle and, due to being careful as to where they were driving, did not see the sign.

Original paperwork has been lost while moving but keeper still has scans of paperwork from Debt Recovery Plus.

Driver was on site for approximately one hour after a long drive and was resting.

After having read previous cases on here, is it still safe to ignore?

1 Date of the infringement 15^th September 2020

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] Unsure 

 

3 Date received A/A

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] A/A

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Driver recalls there was a screenshot of the reg plate, but it wasn’t a very good one. 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No.
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up A/A 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Eye?

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] MFG ESSO Cobham Gravesend 

 

DCBL 30 04 24 Redacted-1.pdf

Edited April 30 by Nicky Boy
Extra redaction on PDF

[honeybee13]

Hi.

Is this a new parking event or have you posted about it before please?

HB

[Buncrana]

I believe it's a new one Honeybee.

I can't see if I previously posted it.

[honeybee13]

Thank you.   Just checking.

[Nicky Boy]

35 minutes ago, Buncrana said:

The keeper has received previous correspondence from (Possibly) Parking Eye and Debt Recovery Plus, all of which has been ignored with zero contact with either company.

According to this DCBL letter, their client is Euro Car Parks Limited. Has the keeper possibly got more than one PCN on the go?

 

36 minutes ago, Buncrana said:

The keeper has moved house twice since the original PCN but has kept DVLA informed of every move and V5 updated accordingly.

The keeper has been fortunate then. PPC's can use the "original" keeper info from DVLA to pursue their charge. They don't have to keep checking DVLA for changes of address.

The keeper should now write to Euro Car Parks and update them with the current address to avoid any chance of a back door CCJ.

Make sure a proof of postage is obtained and keep it safe...

[dx100uk]

yes.

the PPC's DONT have to return to the DVLA before they issue a court claim.

WRITE to EPC stating correct and current address <<V IMPORTANT

you dont want a backdoor CCJ.

thread title updated.

 

dx

 

[Buncrana]

Ah, apologies Nicky, you’re right, it is Euro.

Hi DX,

Glad to see you’re still around

The keeper and driver have had no contact with any company regarding this. 

Seeing as this is the second DCA involved, wouldn’t it open a can of worms by getting in touch with them?

Also, the vehicle has since been sold.

I don't suppose that makes any difference?

I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing.

I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help.

Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection.

I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you.

A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire.

The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals.

The NTK is also in there.

If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight.

Thank you for the responses so far

[dx100uk]

6 hours ago, Buncrana said:

The keeper has moved house twice since the original PCN but has kept DVLA informed of every move and V5 updated accordingly.

you MUST write to them still. else guaranteed backdoor CCJ.

scan everything up bothsides to one mass PDf in date order.

read our upload <<Clickme guide carefully and use the online websites 

dx

[Homer67]

You don't tell the powerless DCA anything (that's all DCBL are here), you need to tell the PPC Euro Car Parks your correct address so if they decide to issue a claim you don't miss it and end up with a backdoor CCJ.

[Buncrana]

Hi folks,

I'll write to EuroCarParks and let them know the change of address.

Would it be sent to the Penalty Charge Notice section in London, and should I notify them via the website as well?

DX100, I'll sort out all the correspondence as requested

LONDON
Euro Car Parks, 30 Dorset Sq,
London NW1 6QJ
Tel: 020 7563 3000

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

14 minutes ago, Buncrana said:

Penalty Charge Notice section in London

eh?

where does it say its a penalty charge = FINE?

it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand

no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything.

Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter

hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do).

Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS.

Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves.

10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either.

the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get.

where your post said fine it now says charge

dx

[Buncrana]

Hi DX,

 

I was using their terminology so that the letter would get to the right department and not get lost in their system.

I'm also putting in the letter that I do not acknowledge any debt to them or their minions.

[dx100uk]

they dont and cant use those words at all.... it would be an offence for them to do so.

 

dx

[dx100uk]

1 minute ago, Buncrana said:

I'm also putting in the letter that I do not acknowledge any debt to them or their minions.

eh?...no

you are simply telling them you have moved...

[Buncrana]

Fair enough

I'll send it RM Tracked

[Nicky Boy]

Tracked is NOT necessary.

1st or 2nd class will suffice.

Just make sure you obtain free proof of posting and KEEP IT SOMEWHERE SAFE...

[dx100uk]

why waste money on scammers?

all you need in law is to prove something was sent.

use a 2nd class stamp and get free proof of posting from any po counter.

dx

 

[Buncrana]

Hi Folks,

 

Thank you for your help so far.

Please find below the correspondence so far from various parties.

If I've missed anything, please let me know.

Again, apologies for not posting the correct stuff. I thought I'd lost it all, turns out it was on a rarely used pc

Letter advising of change of address will be posted shortly, with proof of posting not tracked.

Buncrana

 

All Docs merged.pdf

Edited May 2 by Nicky Boy
Merged and redacted

[dx100uk]

post hidden

please merge all the PDF's in date order else we'll be here allday downloading single page files.

dx

 

[Buncrana]

Afternoon DX,

The files were in date order.

How would I put them into an acceptable format?

I'm not that pc literate.

 

[Nicky Boy]

PDF's now merged above... Plus extra redaction!

[dx100uk]

2 hours ago, Buncrana said:

How would I put them into an acceptable format?

 

21 hours ago, dx100uk said:

please merge all the PDF's in date order else we'll be here all day downloading single page files.

if you read upload

it tells you and even gives online sites to use.......

dx

[Buncrana]

Thank you Nicky, that’s very much appreciated

Just a thought, now that it’s been turned over to another DCA, does that work in my favour?

Edited May 2 by Buncrana
Added question.

[dx100uk]

means nothing.

just trying to kid people its going up some kind of chain.

get reading a good few threads here each day.

dx

 

[Buncrana]

Thanks DX, I appreciate that.

 

I've sent off the change of address to them. They should have that by now...