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    • Which Court have you received the claim from?  CIVIL NATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE, NORTHAMPTON Name of the Claimant?  LOWELL PORTFOLIO LTD How many defendant's joint or self?  SELF Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  03 MAY 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  THE CLAIM IS FOR THE SUM OF £6000 DUE TO THE DEFENDANT UNDER AN AGREEMENT REGULATED BY THE CONSUMER ACT 1974 FOR A LLOYDS BANKING GROUP PLC ACCOUNT WITH AN ACCOUNT REFERENCE OF (ACCOUNT NO. 16 DIGITS LONG). THE DEFENDANT FAILED TO MAINTAIN CONTRACTUAL PAYMENTS REQUIRED BY THE AGREEMENT AND A DEFAULT NOTICE WAS SERVED UNDER S.87(1) OF THE CONSUMER ACT 1974 WHICH HAS NOT BEEN COMPLIED WITH. THE DEBT WAS LEGALLY ASSIGNED TO THE CLAIMANT ON (DATE) NOVEEMBER 2016 NOTICE OF WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE DEFENDANT. THE CLAIM INCLUDES STATUORY INTEREST UNDER S.69 OF THE COUNTY COURTS ACT 1984 AT A RATE OF 8% PER ANNUM FOR THE DATE PF ASSIGNMENT TO THE DATE OF ISSUE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS IN THE SUMBE OF £0.00. THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS THE SUM OF £6000. What is the total value of the claim? £6500 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? YES, NOTICES OF CLAIM.  Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred?  YES  Did you inform the claimant of your change of address?  NO Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account?  CREDIT CARD When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007?  BEFORE   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post?  I DONT RECALL   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ?  NO   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim.  DEBT PURCHASER.   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? THE FIRST I RECALL WAS A LETTER FROM LOWELL SAYING THEY NOW OWNED THE DEBT.  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor?  NOT THAT I RECALL OR BEEN PROVIDED WITH THROUGH CCA REQUESTS.AT LAST REQUEST THEY SAID THEY WERE AWAITING THE DEFAULT NOTICE AND NO ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN UNTIL RESPONDED WHICH TO DATE I'VE NOT HAD OR SEEN.  Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ?  NO, I RECEIEVED LETTERS OF CLAIMS   Why did you cease payments?  I WAS UNDER MEDICAL CARE WHICH CAUSED ME NOT TO WORK. AROUND THAT TIME LOWELL HAD WANTED ME TO INCREASE MY PAYMENTS AS IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG TO CLEAR THE DEBT. I HAD BEEN PAYING THEM WHAT I WAS PAYING THE BANK. I EXPLAINED MY THEN HEALTH & FINANCIAL POSITION AND THAT I WAS UNABLE TO DO SO. THEY PUT A HOLD ON MY ACCOUNT FOR A FEW MONTHS SO I CANCELLED MY DIRECT DEBIT. I MADE A FULL AND FINAL OFFER WHICH WAS REJECTED. WHEN THEY WANTED PAYMENTS TO RESUME I EXPLAINED I WAS IN A WORSE FINANCIAL POSITION, STILL UNDERTAKING TREATMENT AND NOW UNEMPLOYED SO COULD NOT START PAYMENTS AS THEY WANTED. AFTER SENDING MY FINANCIAL SPREADSHEET THEY KEPT SENDING LETTERS ASKING WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO. I COULDN’T SEE A WAY FORWARD I FELT STREESSED AND UNDER PRESSURE SO WROTE THAT I WOULD NOT BE CORRESPONDING WITH THEM ANYMORE.    What was the date of your last payment? NOVEMBER / DECEMBER 2018   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? NO   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? I COMMUNICATED MY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WITH THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY, WE MADE A MONTHLY PAYMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WAS KEPT FOR SEVERAL YEARS UNTIL DEBT WAS SOLD.  
    • Perhaps you would care to read this and reflect on your continuing comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany Jugg    ALEX BRUMMER: How grotesque of pro-Palestine protesters to besmirch Auschwitz, the place where my grandparents died WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK As the son of a refugee from the horrors of the Holocaust, I can feel nothing but contempt for the ignorance, gross... My elderly aunt Sussie and cousin Sheindy had been teenagers at Auschwitz and Belsen but survived and are alive to this day. What they will make of the protesters who waved flags, heckled and chanted as Israelis took part in the March Of The Living – the annual walk from Auschwitz to Birkenau – I cannot imagine. The images now circulating of the protesters are indescribably disturbing. They can only bring back memories of those final moments Sheindy shared with my grandparents when my grandmother Fanya squeezed her hand and told her to lie about her age to avoid the gas chambers. Claiming she was older, and could work, meant that Sheindy lived, not died. The outrage perpetrated by Hamas on October 7 has brought back the most terrifying memories for these two women – memories of pillage, mutilation and starvation. The Holocaust, or Shoah to use the Hebrew word, was the deliberate, industrial-scale killing of Jews.  It is bad enough that pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas sympathisers have chosen to steal the language of the Holocaust.  Any comparison between Israel's retaliation and the monstrous genocide of the 1940s is odious and anti-Semitic
    • Thank you JK2054 and BankFodder for your replies. The information requested is as follows:   My wife and I are sole traders supplying bespoke, handmade wedding trays and other items through our website. We do not sell on ebay. We had an order for two trays (invoice value £370) that were shipped on Monday 25th March. We used P2G as the broker and Evri as the shipper. We declared the value but did not take out insurance. As the trays were a present for a wedding on Saturday 30th March we checked the progress of delivery on the Thursday to see that there had been an attempt to deliver on the 27th but the driver failed to deliver as the customer’s gate was shut (customer informs us that the gates are open between 7am-7pm. We contacted the customer who informed us she had been waiting in all week and there had been no attempt of a delivery. Evri allege they attempted to deliver on the 28th & 29th. On the P2G web site on the 4th April at 14.17 it stated that the customer refused delivery. At 14.28 it updated to say there was a problem with the address and at 14.32 updated to say the customer had refused delivery. At 14.35 updated again to say it was being returned. Last entry was on the 7th April that it was being processed at the depot. We never received it. I have had six web chats with P2G between the 4th-30th April. On the 26th April, I had an offer of £20 plus cost of delivery (£6.72) from P2G which I rejected. During this time, I also contacted Evri that resulted in an email from Evri Customer Services (20th April) stating that they had lost the parcel. I replied requesting details of the attempted delivery but received no reply. After emailing Evri again on the 23rd asking again for the information I received a phone call from someone called Haleemah on the 25th who apologised and promised to send an email with a link to submit a claim form. I subsequently received an email with the link which only took me to a page that stated “Page not found”. After informing Evri customer services of the problem (to which no reply was forthcoming) a couple of days later I retried the link but it only took me to the Evri website. I believe that I have a good case against both companies but would appreciate guidance on which path to go down. I have read most of the information on this site, which has been very helpful and much appreciated, particularly the various court transcripts. I appreciate that this process is a marathon and not a sprint and am fully aware that I need to get everything in the correct order before starting on the legal road. I am sure this covers the current position but if further info is needed please let me know.  
    • Everything at small claims revolves around informality and common sense, there are no "special" ways to have to do things. The site manager's WS will be like yours and the one I linked to - just much shorter.  There need to be the introductory hearings about the case, the parties, etc., and the concluding Statement of Truth. In the middle just a couple of paragraphs where they say who they are, how they know you, and about permission being given by the landowner to use the car park. Superb.  I've added another section about the signage to the suggested WS sections three posts above. Yes, it's perfectly possible.  It'd be a good idea to phone the court on the 18th to see if they have paid.
    • OK thank you very much. I will prepare my WS as you advise.  I will indeed be preparing the WS over the weekend. I will also post UKPC's on Wednesday by 2nd class mail. As they have until the 17th to pay the court fee, is it possible they might discontinue at that stage too? Also I wanted to ask, in what form should the site manager's statement come? And the site owner if i can contact them? I will get photos of the signage to share with you also. Thank you.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Evri lost £200 parcel - Online Civil MoneyClaim ( OCMC ) issued.


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Last August Evri lost a parcel worth £200 which I was returning to a retailer for a refund. 
 
They refused to compensate me as I hadn't taken out their extra 'insurance'. 
 
Having spent some time emailing their Customer Services team, Head of Legal and their CEO, quoting s57 and s72 of the CRA, I gave up and submitted a claim on 12 February. 
 
They were given an extension of time to respond (without any justification as far as I could see) until 4pm today. 
 
Just now I was notified that they had rejected my claim and suggested mediation.
 
  I've had no other contact from them since I issued the claim. 
 
I suspect this is just another delaying tactic and am inclined to refuse mediation, especially in light of the advice I have seen from this Group.
 
I note you say you can provide transcripts of previous judgments to anyone going to trial - could you let me know how to access these please.  And could you please let me know what more I need to do, if anything, in the small claims court procedure, in order to ensure success?
 
  Is there any risk I might lose and so would be better off agreeing to mediation?  I understand that they usually settle via mediation and the process is much quicker?
 
I am very loathe to waste yet more time on this, but am infuriated that they are getting away with what appears to be an unlawful trading practice. 
 
I wrote to Radio 4's You and Yours programme to highlight this issue a few months ago and got no response.
 
  Apart from the Times article which is posted on your forum I haven't seen any publicity, which seems incredible.
 
Many thanks in advance for your advice.
 
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Welcome to the forum.

Topic title amended for clarity.

How did you submit your court claim ? Northampton MCOL or the new Online Civil Money Claims ( OCMC ) ?

The claimant had up until last Friday (4.00pm) to submit a defence.

 

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Hi Andy

I used the new online service.  The deadline was 4pm today and their 'response' was submitted a couple of hours ago.

Although they've accepted they lost my parcel, they've disputed my claim and have put me to 'strict proof' of its value (I originally submitted a screenshot of my payment to the retailer, which was the only evidence I had - I couldn't find an email from them confirming the order or an invoice unfortunately).   

Their response went on to say

"the Defendant denies that it offers ‘insurance’ as described by the Claimant, the Defendant offers a Full Cover optional service to increase the available compensation level.

It is denied that the Defendant’s terms and conditions are contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015, the Defendant limits it’s liability to its customers within its terms and conditions, the Defendant does not remove the rights in their entirety." 

They then went on to rehash their terms and concluded

"19. The Claimant did not opt to increase the level of compensation for the Parcel and therefore, pursuant to the terms of the Contract the Claimant is entitled to maximum compensation in the sum of £27.96."

Incidentally, although they say they paid me £20 compensation plus postage of £7.96, I only received a payment of £20 from them (on 15 November).

Thanks

HP

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I think it would be helpful to the team if you could please upload yor particulars of claim and their defence...

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I'm not the most technically competent!  Can I try cutting and pasting into a word doc instead for you? Sorry!

Very grateful for any advice you can give with this. 

PS I'm going away tomorrow for Easter and it will be difficult to access your forum and the Small Claims court website while I'm away so am hoping to make a decision as to mediation or not today if possible, to move on to the next step, unless you think that's too hasty.

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word document isn't good either, it contains all your pers info in the file details.

take a screenshot and cover up any pers info in MS paint or a similar program. Then collate the files and save as a pdf using an online tool.


See upload <--

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  • AndyOrch changed the title to Evri Claim in small Claims Court (Online Civil Money Claims ( OCMC )system )

Don't use doc all your peers details are in files info/properties

File save as. Pdf then options.. U tic properties box.. Save

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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doc file removed and threads merged.

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When they do aos they automatically get an extra 14 days. 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Dx

My query is whether to accept mediation?  What would that involve? 

If I refused to accept mediation what more would I have to do to continue with the claim, other than provide the evidence referred to in my claim?  Is my claim guaranteed to succeed?  Could you let me have access to the judgments against Evri which I've seen reference to here?

I'd like to make the decision today if possible, before I go away, rather than have it hang over me.  Not sure I've got the appetite, or the time, for a court battle, but I'd like to help in exposing what seems to be an unlawful and widespread business practice.

Thanks

HP

 
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  • dx100uk changed the title to Evri lost £200 parcel - Online Civil Money Claims ( OCMC ) raised

go on to the OCMC site agree mediation and state the dates you are not available.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • AndyOrch changed the title to Evri lost £200 parcel - Online Civil MoneyClaim ( OCMC ) issued.
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Hi there

I accepted Evri's offer of mediation but they didn't attend - the mediator couldn't get hold of them during the time slot we were given!  So the court issued a direction that the case needs to go to a hearing as mediation 'failed to resolve the issue'.  I've written back to the court to point out that it didn't 'fail' they just didn't show up, and asking that a judge deals with this on the papers as the issues are clear and Evri has said they aren't available on any date up to the end of June for a hearing (just another delaying tactic I suspect), so this delay would go against the whole point of the small claims proceduare to settle claims quickly. 

Evri had requested a hearing and have a right to respond to my request to review the order, and I don't know if the court will agree with me, so while I wait for them to respond I suppose I should start preparing for a hearing and get together the further information the court has asked for?

Would you be able to let me know how to get hold of the 3 precedent judgements on this issue which I've seen referred to on the forum please?

Many thanks for your help.

HP

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22 hours ago, Happy Potter said:

I accepted Evri's offer of mediation but they didn't attend -

Not Evris offer, the court offers mediation service.

 

22 hours ago, Happy Potter said:

So the court issued a direction that the case needs to go to a hearing as mediation 'failed to resolve the issue'.

All claims proceed to hearing if mediation fails /not happen.

 

22 hours ago, Happy Potter said:

I've written back to the court to point out that it didn't 'fail' they just didn't show up, and asking that a judge deals with this on the papers

Why do you not wish to attend in person to stand your claim ?

 

 

22 hours ago, Happy Potter said:

I suppose I should start preparing for a hearing and get together the further information the court has asked for?

Absolutely you must comply with the courts directions or your claim risks being struck out. Preparation for a hearing should happen irrespective of mediation.

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/460613-suing-a-parcel-delivery-company-when-you-dont-have-a-direct-contract-with-them-–-third-party-rights-copy-of-judgment-available/#comment-5255007

 

Andy

 

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It is important that you do the reading about this subject in the sub- forum. It's not complicated but you need to be in control and I don't think you are.

For instance, much of the information you need and also the case transcripts that you're looking for are in the fixed topics at the top of this sub- forum but clearly you didn't know that.

You will gain in confidence if you do the reading. Particularly as it now looks as if the mediation has not worked because EVRi have stayed you up and so you may now be going to trial.
You need to understand thoroughly what you are doing. We will help you and you will find our support is unstinting but you have to do your part.

Please spend a lot of time reading the stories on the sub- forum especially the pinned posts at the top of the sub- forum and then start preparing your court bundle. We have instructions here for everything

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Thanks BankFodder - I have spent some time on the site trying to find the judgements but I'm not very savvy and don't know how to navigate this sort of site!!  Sorry to be stupid, but where do I find the 'fixed topics'?  The only judgement I've been able to find so far is the Farooq one, which seems to be more about third party rights than the 'insurance'/unfair contractual term issue.

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Start off by clicking this link

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/183-postal-and-delivery-services/

that will take you to the beginning of the sub- forum where you will have all the topics which have been posted – listed.

The first 10 or dozen or so titles referred to threads which are "pinned" and that means that they are fixed and they tend to be information threads and are not threads which have been posted by people asking for help.

If you cast your eye down the various titles you will start to understand what the subject content of each thread is.

Eventually you will get to a shaded bar which is labelled "other topics". That shows you the beginning of the various request for help that have been made by people including yourself.

You will probably find your own thread at the top of those or near the top. The order changes according to the most recent which has been posted.

Start using the forum more and you will get to understand the pattern. If you don't visit very much then it will always be a stranger to you

 



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Thanks so much - that's really helpful - I think I'm getting to grips with how to navigate around the site now with the benefit of your instructions!!  Sorry to be such a luddite. I'll carry on reading and will start putting the documents I need together.    

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