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    • thanks jk2054 - do you know any law i can quote (regarding timeframe) when sending the email as if i cant they'll probably just say no like the normal staff have done? thanks.
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What utter buffoons.

Certainly ignore their tripe.

But make sure you keep all their letters with their lies so you can humiliate them later should they be daft enough to try court

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I've just done a search for G24 threads on the forum.  I stopped reading after the first 50.  In none of those 50 threads have G24 had the gonads to take the motorist to court.  There are no guarantees of course, but they rarely do court.  This surely is the most important thing.

Writing to G24, indeed to any private parking company, is a waste of time - at best.  They will never accept your arguments and will continue to pursue you for £££.  Ar worst it will encourage them to refute your arguments in the hope you will give in and means you are more likely to end up in court!

Stop the communications with them.

But come back here if they ever send a Letter of Claim.

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An idea.  Have you still got receipts or bank statements for purchases you made that day at the retail centre? 

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5 hours ago, Dadbod1 said:

No, unfortunately not. I went with my mother though and my 2 year old son. We went to the pharmacy, did some shopping and had lunch.

OK, I had tracked down the owner of the retail centre and I was thinking you could have pushed them to have the charge cancelled - if you had lots of proof of spending dosh there.

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8 hours ago, Dadbod1 said:

So, lookinforinfo has suggested that I contact them, is this the best course of action or should I continue to ignore?

Well, it's up to you.

However, as G24's MO is to come out with lots of threats but eventually give up, I don't see any point in poking them with a big stick.  Personally I'd let sleeping fleecers lie.

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1 hour ago, Dadbod1 said:

but I don’t think it will get that far without any evidence surely?

I'm afraid evidence is completely irrelevant.

You have to understand how the PPCs work.  They are interested in one thing and one thing only - money.  So all they do is try to bully motorists into paying.  And sadly it works.  Most people think these letters are fines and pay up, and most of those who initially resist give in when the legal threats start.

What counts is the internal policies of each company, which we've managed to suss out over the years.

One company, called Vehicle Control Services, is obsessed with punishing non-payers by starting court claims.

Others see court as a time-consuming & expensive distraction and something complicated that they don't want to do.  As I wrote in post 30 -

On 12/06/2023 at 10:03, FTMDave said:

I've just done a search for G24 threads on the forum.  I stopped reading after the first 50.  In none of those 50 threads have G24 had the gonads to take the motorist to court.  There are no guarantees of course, but they rarely do court.  This surely is the most important thing.

But come back here if they ever send a Letter of Claim.

 

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They are an uninterested third party with no power to do anything.

Have a good laugh at them and then have a good ignore of them.

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Because, unlike you, most people don't'bother to find out about POFA, the 14-day rule, etc., they think they've been fined and just cough up.

It's a numbers game for G24.  As they raise the level of threat and pretend the amount owed is increasing most people give in, so it makes sense for them to keep sending the daft letters.

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Oh no!

A powerless third party are now passing the case to themselves!

How can you possibly sleep at night with the worry?

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Your case is being considered for escalation to our client's solicitor

Eh - we are musing about possibly asking someone else to send you a letter

Do they seriously think anyone would be terrified by such waffle?

If their case is so good why don't they just take you to court?  I think that question is pretty easy to answer. 

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