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For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

Please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 23/03/2023

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 28/03/2023
 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s

 

3 Date received 28/03/2023

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes - Picture in & picture out
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Eye

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] KFC, Ellesmere Centre. Walkden 
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

BPA POPLA

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here Only the 2nd letter after 14 days asking for the full amount.

 

Copy the windscreen or ANPR section to your thread and answer the questions...

……....

In either case scan up bothsides of any letters/tickets in or appeals made out to ONE MULTIPAGE PDF ONLY

 

 

2023-03-28 PE PCN Incident 2023-03-23.pdf

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I would guess you broke the idiotic "rule" that you can't park there when it's not open (although you wouldn't know it wasn't open till you parked there).

 

We have two other Caggers in the same position, and the good news is that, despite all their bluster & threats, PE haven't dared do court.

 

Also your stay was within the government Code of Practice consideration and grace periods.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Parking Eye ANPR PCN, KFC Ellesmere Centre, Walkden

put up a new pdf reg no on page 2

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Not sure how to delete the old one though/

Came from McDonalds drive-thru.

Signs face the other way.

What's my next step?

Haven't replied to them as yet.

 

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And you never reply/appeal.

read a good few threads here where you see MacDonald in the title.

sit on you hands until/unless you ever get a letter of claim

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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And you never ever ever tell them that.

As the same if an appeal is made, you ID the driver...gone is your legal protection under pofa 2012

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As you've been so quick at dealing with this, there may be a quick way to get the invoice cancelled.

I suggest you e-mail the CEO of KFC, explain that you went to eat there, but once you found it was closed you immediately left and did not abuse the car park.  You only stayed 13 minutes. 

This is within the government Code of Practice consideration and grace periods.  Parking Eye try to entrap motorists by erecting signs that face the wrong way (include your photos).

https://ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-8915&c=KFC UK-Managing Director

Some companies are superb and will intervene immediately.

Others are useless. 

We don't know for KFC - but it must be worth a try.

Even if that fails, read these similar threads.  PE haven't had the gonads to try court.

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/428930-parking-eye-2anpr-pcns-now-paploc-kfc-ellesmere-centre-walkden/#comments

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/435603-parking-eye-anpr-pcn-kfc-car-park-ellesmere-centre-claiming-£60-is-fair-price/

 

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Hi all,

Just updating.

Got another £100.00 reminder on 01.05.23 as attached.

Done nothing with it as advised.

Sitting tight - Missus is panicking though as it's in her name.

Got a Letter before County Court Claim today which i will post up shortly after i scanned and edited.

 

 

2023-05-01 PE PCN Reminder Letter.pdf

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if you have a PAPLOC then we only need the 1st page.

 

the rest will be the reply pack wanting I&E etc etc .

you DO NOT USE THAT.

 

simply reply close to the 30days deadline with a snotty letter

 

plenty here to base yours on. already

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks.

 

Today i received a " Letter before County Court Claim" dated 16/05/23.

Just downloaded the 1st page as requested.

 

Presume i reply to this with a "Snotty" letter within 30 days? 

Sorry, remind me what PAPLOC is again - ???Letter of claim.

 

I did try searching btw. Cheers.

 

 

 

2023-05-16 PE Letter of claim.pdf

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pre action protocol letter of claim.

 

yes but dont rush to reply, run the 30 days.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Also, here's a handy list of acronyms used in the forum for future reference.

You'll soon be an expert!!😁

 

 

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Ok All,

Snotty Letter time.

Presume i have to put reference no at the top? 

Do i put the VRM on as well.

Letter attached with photos. Let me have your comments - Please be nice!

Your reference: *************
Date: 12-06-2023
Dear Parking Eye,
Thanks for your Letter Before Claim dated 16th May 2023.

A day I remember well as tears were rolling down my face.

Then the dog read it – and he started laughing uncontrollably as well.

Then I showed the dog the pictures of the signage –

“It's not viewable when entering from the opposite direction - you can see that from the pictures” he barked.

I said, “I know pal, these fools think they can extort money from me”

Then we went for a nice walk.

Anyway, if this ridiculous case does go to court, I will be asking the Court for an unreasonable costs 

order under CPR 27.14(2)(g).


Please do not bother writing to me again.


Cheers.
 

 

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IMHO it gives away too much.

Don't give away any specific info you could use later in a witness statement. 

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How about changing the wording...

Then I showed the dog the pictures – “Look, they can't even follow their own Code Of Practice.” he barked.

I said, “I know pal, these fools think they can extort money from me” Then we went for a nice walk.

 

BTW, you have a very insightful doggo!

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Parking Eye ANPR PCN PAPLOC , KFC Ellesmere Centre, Walkden

Can do.

They need every bit of help you can give them...😂

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Well done on the level of snottiness.

However, I agree with Nicky Boy's change, don't play your cards too early.

Leave the pix if you want, it'll show them you've done your homework and would be big trouble for them if they were daft enough to do court.

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Yes definitely take out the bit about signage  and include Nicky Boy's changes. not sure about the pictures.

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They've decided the next step for you...

"As a Letter Before Claim has now been issued, we are unable to consider any further correspondence."

So they don't want to hear from you.

 

Guys... On more of a technical note, the quote from their letter would seem to fly in the face of PAP requiring all parties to carry on negotiations with a view to settlement prior to actual court action?

Would quoting this in a future WS carry any weight?

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