Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[unclebulgaria67]

This video is amusing, but not really funny, as it must be a pretty awful situation for anyone to take on a leadership role and then realise they don't have required personality, experience or skills. To be a PM now requires someone to be pretty exceptional, with experience of running a large complex organisation, as well as the personality to communicate effectively what they want to achieve.

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

I found it challenging to tell the difference from the one I posted other than 'Truss was more animated and genuine seeming

- and a bit more info in this one (especially about kwasis real role)

Edited October 16, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

So, do we think that the tories will sludger on with Hunt as the defacto premier and Truss a figurehead kept out of the limelight (and silent) as much as possible - just like they did Johnson?

Does seem their best bet rather than another deadweight no mandate Oh flip up leadership battle?

[honeybee13]

Truss isn't being very silent, an article appeared in the Sun late-ish yesterday. It's not clear to me if she's going in the same direction as Hunt. She's still talking in cult-speak - anti-growth coalition is still there.

 

'To deliver for the British people, we need to take on the anti-growth coalition threatening to hold us back.

Leading the charge are Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the SNP who don’t understand aspiration.

 

They just don’t get the British people. That is why they have no plan or vision for our country.'

 

It was a wrench to see my friend Kwasi Kwarteng leave Government but we must build a high-growth, low-tax economy | The Sun

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GOING for economic growth isn’t just my political mission.It’s personal. I know from my own upbringing what it’s like to live somewhere that isn

 

[tobyjugg2]

Whats the alternatives?

 

Sunak and Mordaunt

Braverman and baderthanbadenough

Back to Johnson

 

Thats the issue - that the once tory party is in multiple faction uncivil war

Makes truss and Hunt seem a better option .. which in itself is a damning condemnation of the situation

 

Hunt has nothing to lose (Truss' fault) and everything to gain - going from a has-been to a grandee.

 

The entire set of populists need to be gone - they are hanging in trying to put time and voter forgetfulness between tory choices and policies and the voters

Probably work if they can get away with it.

 

The actual situation is so dire though - they have pretty much got to cut services (inc NHS and care) and raise taxes to pay for all the duff PPE and contracts - and ensure the fossil fuel energy company profits - if they can

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[unclebulgaria67]

I think this vlog from Peter Oborne sums up what I think may be true about Truss.  i.e., Truss/Kwarteng took deliberate actions for the benefit of Hedge fund managers and very wealthy people.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

No doubt about that whatsoever. The question is proving kwasi did the insider trading bit

 

HB's implied question - 'will Truss STFU? like Johnson did is a good point

[tobyjugg2]

After being found guilty of a barrage of breaches, offenses and failures which caused pollution in Cambridgeshire, Buckinghamshire and Northamptonshire between May and September 2019.

- Anglain Water fined £1.2M

 

- just about what just the boss got in salary and bonuses 5 years ago

and barely  2% of total water company boss remuneration (loot) packages alone over the last 5 years

 

They should be in jail.

 

Anglian Water fined £1.2 million over pollution in eastern England

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The Environment Agency has said Anglian Water admitted causing pollution at inland freshwaters on several occasions.

 

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[unclebulgaria67]

Quite funny !

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

for posterity

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Just shows the media try to brainwash their readers and when it does not work, they change their viewpoint.

 

Once it looks like Labour are certain to win the next election, some of these newspapers will switch sides or simply not offer Tories any ongoing support.

[tobyjugg2]

I very much doubt that

It seems far more likely they will continue trying to blame the populist legacy on the new administration.

 

I mean, they've even tried to blame their own Brexit failures on others despite having a majority in parliament.

[unclebulgaria67]

Heard quite a few comments from many Tories including George Osbourne saying that what we are starting to see, are the negative impacts of Brexit as predicted by the remain campaign. UK is now in a different position, as the financial markets now see a country that is without the support of the EU. 

 

When UK was part of the EU, although not part of the Eurozone, there was a strength in numbers protection, as the UK enjoyed a level of trade with EU countries. Now outside of the EU, the UK has struggled to achieve the trade deals outside of Europe, that will replace any lost trade.

 

UK has managed to get to a position, where they will struggle to keep the world financial markets happy and the consequences could be much worse than we are experiencing now.

[honeybee13]

Very sad, UB. All this was predicted.

[tobyjugg2]

18 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Heard quite a few comments from many Tories including George Osbourne saying that what we are starting to see, are the negative impacts of Brexit as predicted by the remain campaign.

 

starting to see?

Where you been for the last 2 years?

Your typing has been here, where your eyes and ears been?

 

What about the crops rotting in the fields last year due to no pickers

What about UK businesses collapsing

 

This is just the fact reporting ball gathering pace and a bit less shill whooping from the mail and their 'forum and client journalists' - largely balanced by more head in sand and NOT 'balanced reporting' from client journalists @ the BeeB

[tobyjugg2]

I'm now waiting for the shills to start whining that reversing the budget has made things worse - based on figures to be released

- despite those figures already being that bad before the budget, and the budget actually making the figures worse.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

and we are coming up to bonfire night aren't we

how appropriate  ..

 

 

For Halloween I hear truss planning on using an old royalty (some say michael myers would be a more apt description) trick to go out unrecognized among the 'little people to gauge opinion .. apparently on a quick test she was recognised straight away

 

[tobyjugg2]

Negative effects? What negative effects?

.. and with the bonuses being uncapped .... bolli and Maserati's all round

- no wonder the Italian economy is doing better than us

 

 

Bankers’ bonuses have risen twice as fast as wages since 2008 crash

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Government ‘lining pockets of financiers’ while holding down pay for key workers, says TUC

 

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[unclebulgaria67]

@tobyjugg2

 

What I meant, is that Tories are starting to comment on the impact of Brexit much more and of the problems it is causing. 

 

The name calling "remoaners" is now being used by a smaller number of fanatics and more people are now thinking their leave votes were a mistake.

 

Both Tories and Labour have a policy of making Brexit work, when the electorate may have changed their minds on what they believe is the best way forward for the UK.  

[honeybee13]

While a few Tories seem to be recognising that Brexit hasn't done what we were promised, there's a section of the party or people just leaving it that still thinks every that's going wrong is the EU's fault. Even though we've left.

 

The thinking is that EU/Remainers are still in charge. So the story goes that Hunt was in Belgium when Truss contacted him, not on holiday as stated, but seeing the EU. And he's their puppet.

[tobyjugg2]

2 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

@tobyjugg2

 

What I meant, is that Tories are starting to comment on the impact of Brexit much more and of the problems it is causing. 

 

You mean 'Its Brexit not the mini-budget'

 

 

2 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

The name calling "remoaners" is now being used by a smaller number of fanatics and more people are now thinking their leave votes were a mistake.

 

****** ******* *****

 

2 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

Both Tories and Labour have a policy of making Brexit work, when the electorate may have changed their minds on what they believe is the best way forward for the UK.  

 

Strange that Starmer seems to be worried about losing the right wing Brexiter vote rather than the center and left remainer vote eh?

.. or is he more afraid of the Corbynista 'wingers not voting for him .. as if they would any more than the other 'winger Brexiters.

 

Mind you, the libdem resurgence seeming to be a damp squib according to polls might give him a little credence in that view.

 

 

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

 

With so many Tory MP's likely to be upset with what is going on, there must be a good chance of a general election within the next 6 months.   If a Tory PM (Truss or replacement) no longer has support of a majority of MP's and starts to lose important votes in Parliament, then a general election is likely to be called.

[tobyjugg2]

and kick themselves out of power at the worst possible time for them to have an election?

Cant see why, some decency or honor on their part really doesn't come into it now does it?

 

Its waaaay past 'we made a mistake and we will correct it territory

 

[tobyjugg2]

I see Truss is in hiding again.

Is it a Johnsonesque 'keep the prat from doing even more damage' or ... are we looking forward to yet another coronation before Charles gets his?

 

Liz Truss to send Penny Mordaunt to face Commons questions in her place after Jeremy Hunt reverses most of mini-budget – live | Politics | The Guardian

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Latest updates: leader of Commons to respond to Labour urgent question in Commons for Liz Truss after new chancellor rips up predecessor’s plans

 

[theoldrouge]

2 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

and kick themselves out of power at the worst possible time for them to have an election?

Cant see why, some decency or honor on their part really doesn't come into it now does it?

 

Its waaaay past 'we made a mistake and we will correct it territory

 

“some decency or honor“

ROFL

Now lets have a look at a few lefties 

who actually should show some decency and honour 

Miriam Margolyes and

The equally foul mouthed Angela Raynor

The leftie nurse who said that there was no need to resuscitate tories

The repugnant James OBrien who said that the government manipulated people to queue for the Queens lying in state 

Let’s not forget the tartan socialist who “detests Tories”

What about a mention for the people who thought it was a good idea to pour human excrement over the memorial to Col Sir Tom Moore

Or Rupa Huq MP perhaps 

The list goes on and on 

 

All very good at virtue signalling but scratch the surface and what do you find?