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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. 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In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. 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I'm sorry, but until rereading the court order on Sunday I didn't even know what a Scott Schedule was.

 

I know much less than you about the matter.

 

You're the one who's known since August that you would have to compile this document and have had since Saturday (or earlier?) when the expert's report arrived to do so.

 

 

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@honeybee13a Scott Schedule just seems to be a simple list of the matters in dispute, in this case the elements that add up to £16,500, where each party expresses their opinion.  There is an example on page 8 here  https://files.klgates.com/files/upload/international_arbitration_seminar_panel_4.pdf

 

Simeon has known since August that this would be necessary so no doubt has done research and has a draft ready.

 

 

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Yes, please upload it when you can.  You might as well use the expert's numbered report as your template.

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On 26/02/2023 at 01:50, dx100uk said:

whomever , you?, raised the part 20 counterclaim needs to close it, discontinue it, whatever - thats the problem that the court is working on.

dont forget that claimant/defendant labels switch if the main claim is resolved but a counterclaim exists.

the raiser of the counterclaim then becomes the claimant, hence the confusion?

 

 

 

 

Eh?  Are you suggesting that simeon should discontinue his counterclaim at this stage?

 

(@FTMDave - thanks for your message letting me know this thread has revived.  I've been unwell over the last couple of weeks and haven't been able to follow the board closely)

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27 minutes ago, simeon1964 said:

Manxman in E. welcome back. How you are well and ready for me? and you are not going to slag me off this time......need all the help

 

I've just looked back over my last few posts on this thread at the beginning of the year.

 

What I've consistently done is try to draw your attention to weaknesses and deficiencies in your case that I think you need to address in order to be able to persuade a judge that you deserve to win your case.  As just a couple of examples of these weaknesses I specifically drew your attention to (1) your failure to provide the contents of the contract you say you had with the builder (despite repeated requests to do so) and (2) your insistence* that underpinning and piling are the same thing. 

 

I see those posts have generally been thanked or agreed with by other posters including honeybee, BazzaS and FTMDave - presumably because they thought I was telling you something that you needed to hear, and not because I was "slagging you off".

 

You then fall off the radar for over 7 weeks and only turn up again three days ago to ask for more help for the hearing which is tomorrow!!!

 

It's over a year ago that FTMDave and I invested an enormous amount of our own time into helping you draft detailed particulars of your counterclaim.  Throughout that process we continually pressed you on what evidence you had to backup your counterclaim for £17k.  You assured us you had that evidence.  We also advised you to get all that evidence organised and collated in readiness for a hearing.  You've had more than enough time between then and whenever you learned of this hearing date to do all that.

 

You now need to use that well-organised evidence to argue against the expert witness's assessment that your counterclaim is only worth about £1k and not the £17k you think it is.  Nobody here can do that for you because we don't know what evidence you have.

 

All you can do at this late stage is do your best to follow @FTMDave's advice at #430 and put together the suggested schedule.

 

*I see the expert witness appears to agree with me and to disagree with you.  If the judge asks you to justify your assertion I suggest you do better than tell him to google the two terms 

 

 

 

 

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I have work in five minutes, right through to 21:15 UK time.  That's far too late for preparing any documentation before the court closes or indeed the builder's solicitor's office does.

 

The best Simeon can do is print three copies out before court tomorrow and hand one to the builder's solicitor and one to the judge, and say it was the expert's late reply that made it impossible to respect the Scott Schedule part of the court order.

 

I can do some tweaking after 21:15, but I do mean tweaking, not rewriting a whole document like Manxman in Exile and I have had to do in the past.

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Just knocked off work now and available for any tweaking.

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Well after an hour and a half here no news from Simeon.

 

He'll have to take his chances tomorrow.  I would blame the late Scott Schedule on the late expert's report.  And take three copies of whatever he has prepared to the hearing.

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You're joking, right?

 

You knew about the need for this document in August.

 

You've also known about the court date since ... well we don't know as you never told us.

 

You got the expert's report on Saturday (or earlier?) so could have used the rest of the weekend to get this document together,.

 

Anyway, if you want what you've prepared so far to be corrected then post it up now.  I'll be awake for around half an hour.  At least part of it can be dealt with.

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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3 minutes ago, simeon1964 said:

dont much clue about this sctt doc

Understandable.

 

Not much time really from August to March to do a little bit of research, find out what the court would want, and prepare a draft.

 

With 17 grand involved 😱

 

Anyway, your money, your choice. 

 

We've been available to help this evening, you've been absent.  Still waiting.  Off to kip shortly.

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