The sub-postmasters scandal

[honeybee13]

More on Horizon from ITV, plus details of what Vennells was aware of in 2013.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-28/secret-tape-reveals-paula-vennells-was-told-about-faulty-horcccizon-software?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1711664857-1

 

[tobyjugg2]

The issue is the changes and complexity of the interface to the PO board - especially the  guvs 'shareholder'. 

but all that aside, Vennells and the project sparrow board members MUST have known and evidence seems to be clearly saying they did - whether they claim to have not heard it/not read it/forgotton/whatever - it was their business and duty to know - and be responsible unlessd they were clearly INSTRUCTED otherwise - and those redacted minutes need to be unredacted.

 

[tobyjugg2]

We need to always remember that

1. The PO and Fujitsu knew of issues with the software causing shortfalls since 1999 - and their representatives lied and/or were instructed to say things which simply were known to be false in court during SPM prosecutions and to SPMs before those prosecutions

2. The post office not only knew that fujitsu had secret (seemingly entirely un-logged) remote access - and at some stages had a room full of people secretly (from SPMs) amending SPM accounts since 2014 -   and they also LIED IN COURT ABOUT IT

 

Prosecutions will hopefully start soon - once we get the criminals trying to hinder justice out of power

Edited March 30 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I think there would be public support for court cases. You would imagine they would be looking at perjury and perverting the course of justice for a start.

Not to mention clogging up the courts with SPM cases that were based on dodgy evidence. I don't think that's a crime though.

[tobyjugg2]

Big issue is the way the crims poopish have created and managed the 'enquiry' (sic certainly not an Inquiry) - not statutory, Vennells et al no requirement to answer owt or even attend ... innit?

- let alone the UKGI 'interface PO board <-> Guv

and they left Vennels et al largely in place until forced out by public opinion - who the heck leaves the causes in place to correct - well apart from other crims? (see also Cressida Dick)

 

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Lets also not forget that 3 YEARS ago, on top of all the prior years of delay, obfuscation and avoidance ..

The government will not extend the remit of its inquiry into the sub-postmasters scandal.

"Business Minister Paul Scully rejected such calls saying it is important the inquiry reaches a swift conclusion.

He believes the current inquiry will deliver that more rapidly than would starting a new statutory inquiry."

 

Post Office scandal: Government rejects call to extend inquiry

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Labour calls to widen remit of inquiry rebuffed by in interests of swift conclusion.

 

[brassnecked]

There has to be Ministerial collusion looking at all the evidence so maybe  past Ministers should join Vennells and others in the dock?

[honeybee13]

Dan Neidle and the Horizon Compensation Advisory Committee both wrote to the SRA about the Post Office and their lawyers using misleading terms in correspondence with SPMs. They asked them to act and the SRA has sent this.

[honeybee13]

From this thread on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1774053730008375441

 

[tobyjugg2]

For posterity

 

 

 

Video: Paula Vennells: 'There was no evidence of miscarriages of justice' | Daily Mail Online

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She needs to be in jail

 

 

[brassnecked]

She does TJ along with others even that Lib Dem ex Minister Ed Davey should go to jail.

[tobyjugg2]

I've yet to see any evidence that davey should go to jail - at least before every PO minister since. Anyone want to present some?

Like certain people dissing Blair for Iraq - when the finger at the source of the disinformation he and America used is pointed quite squarely at Netanyahu, and that is him specifically NOT mossad as Netanyahu (allegedly) tried to fire up a western assault on Iraq, Iran and Syria - and largely succeeded.

[tobyjugg2]

- and to be clear - as I have been before - despite war being a horror I think the war against Saddam was necessary even if some of the touted reasons were highly questionable (there were enough real reasons) and the corrupt and damaging aftermath was wrong in almost all ways.

Syria was another matter.

[tobyjugg2]

12 hours ago, brassnecked said:

There has to be Ministerial collusion looking at all the evidence so maybe  past Ministers should join Vennells and others in the dock?

 

I think Vennells in the dock would be the catalyst for the BEIS and UKGI interfaces being named and what they knew and instructed - then them in the dock - could define what ministers did

.. which is why she isnt IMO

Edited March 31 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

so who would have expected a company the size of the PO to get discounts and special rates to handle/manage the vast sums that go through it?

... rather than pay a couple of million to 'consultants' to advise them?

 

Malik Karim, who has given the Conservatives £1.6m since 2014, won two major deals last year through his finance firm Fenchurch Advisory, which were worth £1.5m and £175,000 respectively.

Documents uncovered by this publication show Fenchurch was handed the payments to offer the beleaguered Post Office “advice on banking services and the retail banking market”.

 

Major Tory donor handed lucrative government contract to advise Post Office

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Malik Karim, who has given the Conservatives £1.6m in donations, won £1.7m of government contracts through his finance firm...

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting that the Badenough v Staunton tiff seems to have faded away - no doubt to try to prevent a Conservative ex SPM running against her Tory safe seat at the upcoming GE?

 

More on Complaints about culture under Read  (NOT Staunton)

How strange Badenough NOT addressing this after jumping so hard on the Staunton fake news - err her fake news that is

 

Post Office hit by string of formal complaints amid toxic culture claims

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Nine grievances filed against senior ranks since Nick Read became chief executive

 

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Edited April 2 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and when is banenough being pulled up for other instances of 'misleading Parliament' ?

Example:

"The business secretary told MPs “explicitly” last month that talks with Canada were “ongoing”, as a March cliff-edge for British carmakers approaches.

But the Canadian high commissioner to the UK, Ralph Goodale, wrote to the House of Commons business select committee to insist that such talks had not taken place, the Financial Times reported."

 

Badenough was rumored to have muttered:

'Well there was this canadian visitor chap in the foyer who said to me 'lovely place, do you work here' and I said something like 'Our countries have a great partnership' before I hurried off. That should count.

 

Edited April 2 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting that when you do a google search on badenogh Staunton limited to last few days - there are a number removed due to 'privacy'/complaint issues inc farcebork - so leaping across to look via california and doing the same search .. lol

This looked ripe ...

 

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Are you going to apologise to Mr Staunton before you're sacked or after you're sacked?

 

 

Should be in the UK searches somewhere - but there does seem to be 'interference' errr 'different priorities' in the UK searches

Edited April 2 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

 

[tobyjugg2]

So, even we have seen unequivocal evidence that Vennels knew, even before the release of the tapes by ITV & C4 news

So when is the BBC going to release the unredacted sparrow minutes they've had for some time?

I mean, its not like its a statutory enquiry or anything with powers .. yet

[honeybee13]

From the Times. 'MPs exploring 'all options' to sanction Paula Vennells'

Following the recent release of recordings, Liam Byrne of the business and trade select committee is looking to act on Vennells lying to the committee.

https://archive.is/CYMTO

[honeybee13]

Dan Neidle has a new X thread on POL, the compensation schemes and cover-ups. It doesn't look good for POL.

https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1775903101297610783

 

[unclebulgaria67]

You would have to think why someone was recording the various meetings. I doubt it was standard practice and therefore the people now being exposed most likely never thought they would be caught out not answering questions accurately.

I suspect that there are more stories to come, because there must have been a lot of people aware of major failings with the Post Offices IT system at the time.  Hopefully Dan Niedle will find out the extent of the problems and reveal these.

[honeybee13]

I think Dan Neidle is looking at specific aspects of the case, UB. Other people are also trying hard, ITV News and Nick Wallis are working on it and Channel4 has shown a recording or two.

I was quite surprised too about there being recordings but it's a good thing they've come out now.

[tobyjugg2]

Obviously the person recording thought there was a need for the recording to protect their own ass?