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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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I’m not sure if this post has concluded or not

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/422947-minster-baywatch-anpr-pcn-cotswold-lakeside-car-park-gl7-5lu/?tab=comments#comment-5072737

 

but I’ve been brought here as I’ve had the same issue pretty much with the same car park unfortunately.

 

I've got three fines from them for parking there.

It’ll amount to £180 or £300 Should it be left.

 

There’s a lot of information to be sifted through here.

I really don’t know where to start.

I don’t suppose someone wouldn’t mind helping me out here?

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Of course we'll try to help, that's what we're here for!

 

However, could you please click on "Start new topic" to start your own thread?  This thread is Kaleidosky's and every case is different.

We could do with some help from you.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no every case could be different 

hit create in the top red banner

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi all.

 Recently parked in this car park three times within the last two weeks and have now been issued £180 in fines (£60 for each fine), total. £300 if I do not pay within two weeks.

 

I’m keeping details here sparce as I don’t wish to shoot myself in the foot by saying too much and potentially an employee at their company reading this. I will happily respond to questions as I get them.

 

I have noticed some tactics in a similar previous thread from this same car park and was wondering if maybe those would apply to me here?

 

many thanks in advance

 

Thanks for responding so quickly all of you, 

 

 

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Thanks for starting your own thread.

 

The fact you've got three of these invoices makes your case different from Kaleidosky's in that the fleecers will see £££ and maybe take things more seriously.  Should still be more than possible to defeat them though!

 

BTW they are not fines, a private company hasn't got the power to fine you.

 

Can you tell us briefly what these crooks reckon you did wrong?

We could do with some help from you.

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Thanks for getting back to me so quickly here!

 

I used to park here a long time ago at late hours for thought processing and never had to pay during those hours.

I drove in recently and just assumed it was the same as usual.

 

I was unaware it was under new ownership.

I parked there at night on three different occasions and assumed I didn’t have to pay!

 

I got two letters in the post from them on Saturday morning and one more I received yesterday.

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scan up the three NTK's/PCN's to one multipage PDF please

read upload carefully.

 

please also complete this for each one (just put 3 sets of dates after each question please)

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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read upload

it tells you how

as long as we can read the NTK's etc clearly 

must be PDF for us to zoom

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 Date of the infringement 17th, 18th and 22nd September
 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 24th, 24th and 28th September 2020

 

3 Date received

26th September (for the ones dated as the 24th)

30th September OR 1st October, i'm unsure as I was not present at home from the evening of the 29th until the evening of 1st October (for the one on the 28th)
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes, on all of them
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? They have captured two photos of the event for each date clearly showing my registration. The surroundings however are not present as the photos have been taken at very late hours.
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up ^^^ N/A ^^^
 

7 Who is the parking company? Minster Baywatch

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Cotswold, Lakeside Car Park, GL7 5LU
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. There is a BPA logo present at the bottom of each letter

 

 

 

Thanks again!

Parking notices 1 2 and 3.pdf

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hey that's magicwork KuruptFM93

 

absolutely perfect

wish everyone was so great in giving use the info we need.

 

you'd accidently left the PCN number on each one 

so i've redone them for you.

 

you can do no better than to read as many threads here in this forum as you can

that will get you upto speed on things

 

revisit the planning portal and check to see if since that other thread planning perm for their signs, poles and cameras has been applied for and grant

and 

go down there at you usual time and take photos of the area WITHOUT a flash as i bet the signes up not illuminated?

 

pers i'd be doing nothing else bar reading for now until /unless you get a letter of claim from one of their fake/tame paperwork only solicitors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks for that friend. I appreciate the advice!

 

if I remember correctly, the sign was not lit up. If I was to take a photo of the sign in the dark without flash, how would I be able to prove that that’s what I took a photo of, considering that I could just take a pitch black photo?

 

Im due to move to Europe relatively soon, this month as a matter of fact. When I first got this car, I used my parents address as the correspondence address for things in matter to my car. What if this company was to mail me while I’m away and my parents were to keep receiving letters in the mail by them and I haven’t paid?

 

is there a route of action that I can take that would be more conclusive?

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I think you're in an excellent position.  You can't enter into a contract with them through reading their signs if the damn things are in the pitch black!

 

As dx says, if the place is local to you go back at night (pay whatever the minimum fee is this time!) and photograph the signs.  It's up to them to show the signage is sufficient, not for you to show the opposite.

 

You won't like this answer, but no, there is no way to stop them destroying half the Amazon.  A bunch of crooks have got your letters from the DVLA and they will send you a load of standard letters in the following months that are supposed to be threatening but in reality are just hot air from paper tigers.

 

When you move send them a simple two-line letter with your new address.  That should be the end of it for your parents but as Minster Baywatch are idiots with no respect for the law they may well answer that they are "unable" to send letters to Europe or some such tripe.  If the worst comes to the worst comes to the worst, all you parents would have to do is open the letters, check that they aren't headed "Letter Before Action/Letter Before Claim", and put them in a file.  

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3 hours ago, FTMDave said:

As dx says, if the place is local to you go back at night (pay whatever the minimum fee is this time!) and photograph the signs.  It's up to them to show the signage is sufficient, not for you to show the opposite.

 

but not if you are only there for 10 mins!

 

or walk in..:pound:

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Am I not able to gather this evidence RE: sign not lit up & no planning permission for those cameras, mail them and say I cannot enter upon a contract if I am unaware of what is on the sign + legally you cannot put me in one if you didn’t acquire a planning permission etc etc and then be done of it?

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aye what?

 

mail who?

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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why and for what reason?

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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When you write to Minster to tell them your new address that is the only thing you tell them. You do not tell them that they have no planning permission as they already know itand it doesn't stop them still demanding more money. Keep your powder dry and do not shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.. The old cliches still hld true.

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I often refer to the parking companies as being crooks when I post.

One of the reasons for that is when confronted in Court with not having planning permission, they lie to the Court by explaining that the permission is retrospective ! So perjury is just one of the their many cute little crooked attributes.

 

The only sure way  to stop them is for you to take them to Court and win.

That might not be easy when a Judge sees you have breached the car park terms so often regardless of the winning factors you have in your hand.

 

Just keep your head down and hope that they pick on some one else to take to Court. 

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So essentially they look to break the law in order to get money from me? How unethical, and courts let them do this?!

 

Also, when I move, my car will still be present in the UK at my parents address. This isn’t going to give them any issues is it?

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