DCBL force entry into residence

[renegadeimp]

That all depends whether the porch is considered entry to the house or not in law.

[sgtbush]

If the porch has a lock on both doors then its implied that its the inner door that they need to get thru but to be absolutely sure dont open any.

 

EA's cannot climb thru windows any more.

So be safe.

Get council tax bill and personal id like drivers licence.

Lock both doors behind you and show them.

You'll find if you do that they will say that's fine, they will return the warrant to court as not known with proof shown.

 

Also be assured that JBL only enforces civil debts so they have NO authority to force entry on the warrant..

[stu007]

I have to refer to DragonFly1967 Post#14

 

I have had exactly what you describe happen to myself a few years ago.

 

The EA arrives at my front door with the Court Warrant shows me it then I notice is completely wrong name and wrong address.

 

I informs EA they are at the wrong address and I am not debtor.

 

The EA insists this is the correct address even after I point to the street signage where its obvious its the wrong address but EA insists.

 

I then inform the EA that I will go and get I.D. and I will not close door but they must remain outside my property (surpirisingly they did).

 

I then show EA my Driving Licence, Passport and Council Tax and demamnd full details of there company os how dare they come to my door accusing me

of someone elses debt just because they cannot read a map and get the correct address and to do this to a disabled veteran.

 

Just lets say the EA was like a rabbit in headlights changed there attitude, apologised gave me there details and off they went with tails between there legs

 

Did I let this go nop complaint about EA and got full apology.

 

 

Then it gets better well you will laugh I did at the time.

 

So exactly 2 days after the apology my door goes, not expecting anyone.

 

There are 2 Police Officer, are you XYS as we have a Warrant for your Arrest.

 

Me think you have the wrong person and address (its the ruddy same name and address the EA got wrong) came I see the Warrant please.

 

What do the Officers do show me the warrant with that persons name and address on it.

 

So I say look round at the road signage and I will also go get I.D. and will leave door open.

 

Comes back shows them my Driving Licence, Passport and Council Tax.

 

They are like rabbits in headlights also and cannot apologise enough and say it was the EA that gave them directions to my property.

 

Mass complaint goes in and I will give the Police there due was investigated quickly,and fully apology from a very Senior Officer.

 

Oh and the EA got a severe kick up the butt.

[mariner51]

So how did the Police get a Warrant to arrest you and on what charge?

You pointed out their mistake (with evidence) and provided your ID, resulting in NFA. That's all the guy in the video had to do.

The video starts with an open door and a person filming the 'unexpected' approach of EA & locksmith.

The video producer has an obvious axe to grind with DCBL. Why?

Does anyone sense a set-up?

[DragonFly1967]

They didn't have a warrant to arrest Stu007, they had a warrant to arrest some other person at a different address.

 

Again, it's said that "That's all the guy in the video had to do" (my bold)

 

 

Whilst I'm in full agreement that it would have proved that the EA had the wrong person, the person in the video had/has no duty to the EA to provide anything. Thankfully, we do not live in a country where you have to prove your ID on demand (outside of certain circumstances) and if an EA came to my door with an attitude looking for someone that didn't live here, they'd only get one answer and it wouldn't include my ID.

[brassnecked]

You would politely ask them to Foxtrot Oscar as I would then DF?

[DragonFly1967]

If it was nothing to do with me or anyone else in my household. I'd certainly start with polite, where it went from there would be up to the EA

[brassnecked]

Especially if he has the wrong address and you are not the debtor.

[Peterbard]

The point I was trying to make is that the EA will not be as interested in paperwork as in physical proof that the debtor does or does not live there.

 

As said there is no requirement for an address on a warrant, in fact the debtor may live at several addresses and the bailiff may attend to serve at any of them. The warrant is against the debtor, not the debtor at an address. It requires only enough info to identify the person.( see CPR wherever it is).

 

The bailiff will be much more interested in getting in and checking for clothes in wardrobes, sleeping accommodation, letters etc.

[josephbloggs]

few questions for the people who have said they would refuse to provide details. well why? i guess is the first one.

what is the obsession in 2018 for being deliberately obstructive? not having a go just like to know the reasons why.

 

when people say the EA should do the research, well what about this scenario:

the writ has the address on. the company have done an experian search and it shows bank accounts and revolving credit & budget accounts at that address.

the occupier isnt the debtor but refuses to say who they are.

what more can the agent possibly do if the occupier is refusing to provide info other than continue with their actions?

[DragonFly1967]

Speaking only for myself...

 

1. It's not about being 'deliberately obstructive' at all for me. But, an EA, or anyone else that comes to your front door has absolutely no right to demand to see ID. As I said before, if they asked nicely, they might get it. If they demand it, well, it's not going to happen.

 

2. They are welcome to continue with their actions, I don't have any problem with that at all. That is after all their job and what they are commanded by the court to do. But they can continue their actions somewhere else. They won't be continuing anything with me.

 

 

As I also said before though, it'd be a completely different scenario if the person at the door is lying through their teeth. I'm talking about a scenario where, even if they had the right address on the writ/warrant, that person had never lived here to my knowledge (and it wasn't me)...

[Peterbard]

The EA has a perfect right to be there if he is of the honest belief the debtor lives there, regardless. Sorry

 

 

If after the event the person feels there was no sufficient cause for such a belief, a complaint can be made.

[Guest Crimebodge]

Just to set the record straight, I despise Freeman of the Land and everything they stand for. I have done my utmost over the years to protect and rescue people from their recklessness and I consider any suggestion that I am aligned with them as defaming.

 

It's a shame that you are so quick to smear someone who you disagree with, and tag them as a member of one of the worst cults in English history, because ironically that in itself is a Freeman tactic: Painting the opposition as someone with the very worst of malign intent. My aim, like yours I would hope, is to help people. If you believe me to be wrong then simply defaming me is in no way going to make me receptive to your views.

 

I could just as easily start throwing around accusations that some of the users of CAG are shills for Enforcement Agencies - indeed some of the postings on this thread certainly read like that. But I would rather not engage in childish forum wars. There's plenty of that to be found on various websites, which you would expect from that hive of deluded manics. But I expected more from CAG.

 

Pity really, because there has been many a time I have referred people who have experienced problems with EAs to this website and spoke of it with the highest praise.

 

I don't agree that an enforcement officer has the power to enter the wrong person's home just to search it for ID. That was the main point of the video. I'm sorry if that appears obstructive or unreasonable to some of the authoritarians on this forum, but I guess when it comes to an Englishman's castle, I have old fashioned values.

 

I think you will find the law agrees with me on that point as well.

Edited July 10, 2018 by Andyorch
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[DragonFly1967]

I think you will find the law agrees with me on that point as well.

 

A lot of people here agree with that as well Crimebodge. However, if everyone agreed, this wouldn't be much of a forum, so you, I and everyone else have to accept that now and again (or most of the time) someone will disagree with a post