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we shall see - i want to see what a judge would think

 

will keep you posted

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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hey hey, got a court date, 14th March 2007, cant wait!!

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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well well well

 

received a 'without prejudice' letter today and a chq for £125

 

 

going to send a 'thanks for part payment letter' and ask for the outstanding amount to be sent ;)

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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why not blacksheep?

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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well i have sent this letter:

 

Dear xxxx

I am in receipt of your letter dated 19th February 2007, and the enclosed cheque for £125. I respectfully decline your offer as Full and Final settlement and request, once again, that you return to me all monies owed to me, totalling £229 (£354 original amount minus £125 part payment)

 

I will accept the sum offered only as part settlement and on the clear understanding that I will continue to pursue recovery of the remainder, with my County Court claim scheduled for 14th March 2007.

 

Your letter states that you have received directions which advise that negotiations should be entered into in order to resolve this matter. However your letter also states that the cheque is offered on a ‘full and final settlement’ basis. Does this offer constitute what Dekra describes as ‘negotiations’?

 

Negotiations usually include input from both parties concerned and an amicable conclusion that both parties agree to, not just a ‘full and final settlement’ offer that the claimant must accept.

 

Please note that a copy of this letter has been delivered to Salford County Court.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 

Regards

 

 

itsamomentintime

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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i received a letter today advising that i should stop the claim as the cheque was offered 'without prejudice' - what do they mean?

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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It means you cant use it in relation to your claim for example as proof of wrong doing on their part it does NOT mean you have to stop your claim and if they think that then they are really really stupid

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in court today - i lost.

 

the judge accepted that their engineer did act reasonably when testing the water pressure.

 

the good news is that the company are not going to pursue me for the £125

 

ho hum. you live and learn. at least SHabbey settled in full ;)

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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I'm confused - how can the judge accept that they acted reasonably when they found a leak that was not there? Or have I read every post on this thread wrong?

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the engineer stated in court that he did the test and showed the vendor the leak

 

he said he did the test again and showed the vendors brother the leak

 

the judge said that there is hardly any chance of the engineer making the same mistake twice

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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Well WELL DONE YOU for taking them to court and having the guts to face them anyway, most ppl would have given up at an earlier date and been intimidated by the prospect.

 

I suppose your best course of action now is to bring the issue into the public domain. By that, I mean join as many review websites etc etc as you can, and tell your story, as a warning others regarding this company and their T&C's. You've made a good start with this thread, reply and NAME the company!

 

Good luck and well done to you once again!

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thanks for the support - fight the good fight people!!!!

post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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