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    • I see, shame, I think if a claim is 'someone was served' then proof of that should be mandatory. Appreciate your input into the WS whenever you get chance, thanks in advance
    • Paper trail off the original creditor often confirms the default and issue of a notice...not having or being able to disclose the actual copy or being able to produce a copy less so. Creditors are not compelled to keep copies of the actual default notice so you will in most cases get a reconstituted version but must contain accurate figures/dates/format.     .    
    • Including Default Notice Andy? Ok, I think this is the best I can do.. it all makes sense with references to their WS. They have included exhibits that dates don't match the WS about them, small but still.. if you're going to reference letters giving dates, then the exhibits should be correct, no? I know I redacted them too much, but one of the dates differs to the WS by a few months. IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • AMEX and TSB the 2 Creditors who you need to worry about the least, ever!  Just stop paying them and forget about it, ignore all their threat o gram letters.  Only if, and with these 2 it's a massive if, you end up with a claim form you need to respond, and there will be plenty of help here.
    • No, nothing from Barclays. Turns out i have 2 accounts on here, and i posted originally on the other one. Sorry about that.  
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its cabot they never chase enforceable debts anyway.

never had any other letters from them too?

can you scan the letter to pdf please read upload

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have now received data from Nottingham.

 

Particulars of claim state:

 

By an agreement between Welcome Finance and the defendant on or around 30/11/2006. (the Agreement) Welcome Finance agreed to lend the defendant monies.

 

The defendant did not pay the installments as they fell due and the agreement was terminated. The Agreement was assigned to the claimant. The claimant therefore claims the sum of.....

 

Claim was issued 11 January 2016.

 

Judgement states:

 

You have not replied to the claim form. It is therefore ordered that you will pay the claimant £..... plus interest to judgement date in installments of £50 a month.

Judgement is dated 4th February 2016.

 

The claim and judgement where sent to an address I left in January 2009. Amazingly they now seem to know my current address.

 

Any advice on how to proceed from this point greatly welcomed.

 

Well they certainly have a judgment...the fact that its not yet been registered is immaterial ...they have numerous ways to enforce the judgment ...AoE being one.......

 

Who knows if their letter is a bluff ?...they have the ammunition to carry it through...hence their 7 days option for you to speak to them.

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Hi All

 

It has been suggested to me that I should make an application to set aside a judgement on the grounds that:

 

1. The court claim was sent to an old address when it would not be difficult for the claimant to identify my current address as I have always been on the electoral role and held bank accounts showing on my credit file - they have managed to find my address easily enough after receiving the CCJ

 

2. As the claim was at an old address I will also have not received the assignment of claim from Cabot.

 

3. Cabot Financial (UK) Ltd are unlicensed.

 

Any thoughts as to whether this approach is worth my time and money?

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1) From my knowledge - I understand that a DCA is entitled to serve a claim form on the last registered address

2) Same as 1

3) Cabot UK are licensed to completed DC related activities under one of their sub companies.

 

Old address wont always be a set aside reason... Is there anything else about the account in particular that stands out for you to dispute?

 

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nothing yet. I have requested SAR from original creditor to see if that turns up anything. I think the original creditor (Welcome) was advised of change of address so maybe SAR may show this.

 

Only other thing is that court claim has wrong date for original loan agreement. It states agreement on or around 28/11/2006 but agreement was actually 10 months earlier. No idea if this has any value.

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if a ccj is set aside, the claim will just restart.

so it wld be good to have a poss defence,

otherwise aiming to avoid a ccj on file (by entering into (and adhering to) a tomlin arrangement once (if) it restarts).

otherwise, you'll just get a ccj again.

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I am happy to enter into an arrangement to repay the debt, it is the ccj on my record I am more concerned about.

 

This thread relates to my thread regarding an AEO letter for a Welcome loan. I would wish to avoid an attachment to earnings as this will have a serious impact on my job.

 

The ccj stated a monthly repayment of £50.

Would it be a good tactic to write back to Mortimer Clarke, enclosing a PO for £50,

saying that I have not been able to make payments as i was unaware of the ccj

but now that I am aware I am happy to comply with the judgement.

 

Please find enclosed a PO to cover the first installment of £50 as ordered by the court.

Please provide your bank details so that I may set up a monthly payment of £50.

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please keep to one thread

threads merged.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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nothing will remove the CCJ other than a set aside

or it reaching 6yrs old. or the claimant being very nice to you.

as in the now merged other thread

I cant see a reason for a set aside

nor a defence for the debt at the hearing

 

you need that sar.

 

I would never setup a DD with any DCA

standing order only IF you want to pay IF you need too

 

was this your ONLY welcome loan/refinance

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well post 25 even if they do..so..

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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look in the welcome finance forum address sticky on the homepage

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no it doesn't

read it again

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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