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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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defence is not due for 10days yet [26th]

i'm sure andyorch will pop in nearer the time and advise.

 

 

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Not had any response from the SAR request.

 

Do i have to ask for extra time until this comes in my defence?

 

ill be going with the defence of wanting to see and tally the bills myself as well as excluding any bills outside of the limitation act?

 

I assume i can do this online?

 

Thanks.

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sar ...you made a CPR to the solicitors did you not..i hope?

 

you don't need extra time.

 

yes you can file online at mcol same as you did the AOS.

 

however andyorch is aware your defence is due Friday 4pm

and has already posted as such .

 

wait.

 

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Seems a very low amount for 8 years services ?

 

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urm..I wondered that earlier, just the grey water charge [drainage]

 

 

p'haps the OP can enlighten us if he's already paid them or another company for the fresh water supply itself

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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urm..I wondered that earlier, just the grey water charge [drainage]

 

 

p'haps the OP can enlighten us if he's already paid them or another company for the fresh water supply itself

 

Better get his skates on if he wants a defence for tomorrow:wink:

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Yes i did get the CPR sent out recorded delivery on the 15th of this month.

 

As i understand it Southern Water take care of the waste water only and Portsmouth Water supply my water, they are billed separately.

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ah good guess then.

 

 

that's answers why its so low

and ofcourse you do use the sewers and don't have a cesspit etc do you.?

town house I would assume..

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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oh you'd knwo if you had a cesspit!!

not relevant then ignore that bit.

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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See what we can put together in the morrow Gordy....

 

Regards

 

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Particulars of Claim

 

1.The Claimant is a statutory water and sewerage undertaker pursuant to the Water Industry Act 1991 (the Act).

 

2.The Claimant claims the sum of £1606.72 for unpaid water and/or sewerage charges payable under s.142-144 of the Act and the Claimants' Charges Scheme.

 

3.The unpaid sum of £1606.72 is for water and/or sewage's services provided to the Defendant(s) at (my address) for the period 23/05/2008 to 29/11/2016

 

4.The Claimant claims interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year 29/11/2016 to 21/04/2017 on £50.36 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £0.35.

 

####Defence#####

 

The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.

 

It is accepted that I currently reside in an area that is serviced by the Claimant is a statutory water and sewerage undertaker pursuant to the Water Industry Act 1991 (the Act).

Southern Water take care of the waste water only and Portsmouth Water supply water, I understand they are billed separately.

 

The Claimant claim of £1606.72 for unpaid sewerage charges payable under s.142-144 of the Act and the Claimants' Charges Scheme for the period 23/05/2008 to 29/11/2016 is denied.

The claimant has never billed or contacted or requested this amount and is put to strict proof to evidence this fact.

 

Furthermore the claimant is prevented from back billing for a period of more than 6 years pursuant to the Limitation Act 1980.

 

It is brought to the Courts attention that on receipt of this claim dated 24 APRIL 2017 I contacted Southern Water to advise that I had never been billed for the period requested and this was down to their own error.

 

I requested information with regards to making a payment arrangement or through the Watersure scheme but was advised that this is not now possible as the debt had been passed to UK Search.

 

Whether that be by way of an assignment or simply debt collection purposes Southern Water refused to confirm to which I find bizarre and inter alia contrary to their Code of Practice in dealing with Customers.

 

I was denied a reasonable repayment plan to allow the spread of repayments or offered any alternative before this claim was issued.

 

It is therefore for the above reasons that the claimant claim is denied.

 

 

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Thank you very much for your time in putting that together.

 

Just to massively confuse matters last minute ive just noticed some mail half hidden in my letterbox from this morning and will attach.

 

 

It looks like they changed their mind about a 3rd party owning my debt and have merged it back onto my account...

 

If i dont hear anything from anybody ill proceed with my defence before today's deadline.

 

Cant seem to attach a jpeg so heres a link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzMnzW_qYgQZdXA2blpJSWFlTnM/view?usp=sharing

 

 

Defence submitted @ 15:43 after a sketchy 10 minutes frantically trying to find login details :)

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It was never with the 3rd party..apart from collection purposes...does not effect the defence...you only received it today:wink:

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thanks andy

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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the claimant has 28 days to do 'something'

else the claim gets auto stayed.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I just sit back now and wait for the court decision and the bills in the post?

 

Thanks.

 

You should be looking to arrange payment of the current charges (not included in the claim form) otherwise you will be getting another court claim.

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well they would say that....

 

 

we'll see

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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