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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. 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It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. 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sorry?

 

 

when was your last payment?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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so the full story please

and no a claim cant be stayed by a CPR request.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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oh i see

someone hi-jacked an old thread...

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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My question was intended as a general question without getting getting into the nitty gritty of my case.

 

 

The question quite rightly posed was focused simply on the previous post re statute of limitations without my diverting the thread with my own matter.

 

And yes Ccbc HAVE stayed the claim against me as I have tried to get the claim struck out due to non compliance with my 31.14 (something I learned on these forums ) .

 

 

My application was denied and the judges remark was "claimant to file in due course" when I have seen an identical situation to mine where the judge gave claimant ten (or so) days to file otherwise strike out.

 

 

I phoned ccbc to see if claimant has complied and they told me it is stayed.

We are now months later and nothing happening.

 

Hence trying to keep it simple hoping that if this drags on I can rely on statute of limitations.

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I've made this its own thread.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No I haven't changed my username . I rarely post but have gleaned extremely good info on these forums and successfully won 2 cc cases.

 

i also looking into Ppi reclaim as offset but don't know where to begin with Ppi as I just read an article here yesterday about payment breaks and not to use a Ppi reclaim company

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post here now please

 

the SB clock stops when a claimform is issued.

 

who was the claimant

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no PRA are debt puchasers so its now NOTHING to do with MBNA

they sold the debt.

 

 

what about your CCA request

that's the important one CPR is a request and does not have to be complied with.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As this is now my thread I can say the claimant sent me a miniature claim form that is barely readable,

 

 

then received a further letter stating they had not completed their response to my 31.14 and presumably that is what we are waiting for.

 

 

It's quite a large claim (just under £20k).

I don't want to give specifics as I am sure both sides read these forums.

 

My CCA was responded to with the miniature agreement , the account, The assignment which I have never seen and also the default notice I have never seen

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no PRA are debt puchasers so its now NOTHING to do with MBNA

they sold the debt.

 

 

what about your CCA request

that's the important one CPR is a request and does not have to be complied with.

 

 

dx

 

I assume you put a defence in which is why the stay happened?

 

You need to get the claim discontinued for the limitations act to kick in. Pra are not to be trusted.

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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no they haven't complied with the CCA

we already know the MBNA application forums are not compliant as they don't hold all the prescribed terms to make it enforceable

 

 

theres really no need to hide

there are hundreds of claim threads here already regarding PRA and the large portfolio of lemon MBNA debts they bought in 2015 here.

 

 

the claim is stayed so end of the matter really unless they pay to lift it.

 

 

scan up your CCA return to ONE MULTIPAGE PDF PLEASE

follow the upload

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi

My old MBNA account came back as just a signature box although it was from 2005- last sale was to arrow who I have not heard from for several years

 

I suspect you went after a strike out a little too quickly - there is a balance to be followed between giving them enough time and not letting it drag along too long.

I read of a case where someone applied for a strike out and ended up with a CCJ although no idea how that actually happened.

 

There are options which may cost you money depending on your income

 

leave it stayed

Apply for an unless order (costs money)

After an appropriate amount of time 'invite' PRA to discontinue the claim to save costs on the basis you will be applying for a strike out and costs

 

 

I will leave the decision to you and the advice to those much better than me

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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I think mine is from 2010, internet application, no signature.

Shall I scan up the CCA return (ie the redacted agreement) and my defence as well (redacted)?

 

Many thanks for the replies. I turned in last night.

I think mine is from 2010, internet application, no signature. But I am sure that I ticked the box for payment protection which theirs does not show.

 

 

Should I scan up both the CCA return AND the defence (both redacted of course)

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yes please to ONE multipage PDF

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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yes please to ONE multipage PDF

 

Just one final thing before i upload the agreement. I am going to upload EXACTLY as they sent me apart from redaction of my name- just to show the miniature appearance

BUT

I am also able to scan in zoomed so that it may be readable, but this may be detrimental to me. The reason why it might be good to do this is for others to see whether the correct terms are in it if the claimant tries to do the same - what do you think? Scan in zoomed as well?

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Claimants have been known to send enlarged copies when legibility has been mentioned so I really do not see any problem

 

It is however a sad state of affairs when debt purchasers trawl these forums so if you feel uncomfortable with it then don't do it.

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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