The European Union.....In or Out?

[silverfox1961]

Are there to be any public meetings UK wide for the public to attend to discuss the EU issue ?

 

I would hope there is. A debate from both sides but giving factual evidence, not speculation would give the public some ideas of where to stand. The problem with politics is that all we minions get is what they (the powers that be) want us to see, not what is important.

[tobyjugg2]

A debate from both sides but giving factual evidence, not speculation would give the public some ideas of where to stand. The problem with politics is that all we minions get is what they (the powers that be) want us to see, not what is important.

 

Exactly

Like the leaked document on Tusks opinion of the renegotiation status.

Keep it secret until/unless there is some political gain from releasing it and go berserk (in parliamentary terms) should anyone dare to release it to the unworthy plebs (err populace/voters)

[Guest]

Are there to be any public meetings UK wide for the public to attend to discuss the EU issue ?

The PM has already started his Q&A 'tour', NI, E.Anglia...whats his itinerary, could attend if local/open?

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/cameron-visits-bushmills-and-dairy-farm-near-ahoghill-1-7233997

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3469580/Shocked-David-Cameron-forced-pause-EU-Q-students-girl-collapses-audience.html

[tobyjugg2]

The PM has already started his Q&A 'tour', NI, E.Anglia...whats his itinerary, could attend if local/open?

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/cameron-visits-bushmills-and-dairy-farm-near-ahoghill-1-7233997

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3469580/Shocked-David-Cameron-forced-pause-EU-Q-students-girl-collapses-audience.html

 

 

Dunno but the BBC has this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887

 

Note that the only REAL concession (doesn't need the EU to OK it) is :

Protection for the City of London - Safeguards for Britain's large financial services industry to prevent eurozone regulations being imposed on it

[Guest]

cheers, lots to consider.

interesting, re what an exit agreement cld involve, ie cld still 'remain within the single market'.

 

at least someone (sophie) asked the beeb the most important q; about future entry into the eurovision song contest

[Consumer dude]

Can the general public question Cameron on his tour or will we be denied in the name of security ?

[citizenB]

Can the general public question Cameron on his tour or will we be denied in the name of security ?

 

I think ever since Tony Blair was blind sided by an audience a few years ago, politicians only speak to "invited" audiences. I would imagine that anyone who applies for a ticket would be vetted from beyond the womb !!

[unclebulgaria67]

Cameron hypnotises the audience with a beam of light coming from his forehead. Rumours are that Samantha spends 2 hours every night shining his forehead. Camerons security team have to wear dark sunglasses to avoid being dazzled in the mornings.

[tobyjugg2]

Cameron hypnotises the audience with a beam of light coming from his forehead. Rumours are that Samantha spends 2 hours every night shining his forehead. Camerons security team have to wear dark sunglasses to avoid being dazzled in the mornings.

 

Must be why Burnham uses so much dark eyeliner and mascara - natural sunglasses

[Tawnyowl]

Must be why Burnham uses so much dark eyeliner and mascara - natural sunglasses

Went to a protest as usual 70,000 there in Manchester.

Burnham was there.A nice chap walked for mile after mile holding a banner defending the NHS.

Strange how you see these politicians on the telly.Powerful,a aura about them yet when close up they are really humans,not ETs

Approachable,just have your say if ever close to them.Steady now, some of you would, and when you look in their eyes you see vulnerability.I suppose i mean human.

Now i found the last few posts funny.Natural humour in the Bear Garden.

Now talking about image i hear George Osborne compared,his hair that is to A old Roman emperor.

And has a fair team dressing and pampering him.

Image,you can not beat Jeremy Corbyns look.

Power to the people.

The revolution is coming.

What am i writing,i must go and take my pills.

In or out,i hope you are granted your wish.

Probably you realise Tawny is useless at politics but like observing people at protests, taking photos, things like that.

[Consumer dude]

On a serious note, how would I find out where any of the leaders are going to be at any public given time so I can question em..

[Tawnyowl]

On a serious note, how would I find out where any of the leaders are going to be at any public given time so I can question em..

 

A good question.Are there to be meetings regionally about this.

So they can be grilled.Many must want to put questions to the politicians.

A very important matter.And time goes quickly.

Suppose Twitter will have to do for this serf.If i decide to ask a question.

Or a email to headquarters.

 

And what is this.

EU referendum: Hammond defends rules on access to papers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35680675

[Consumer dude]

A good question.Are there to be meetings regionally about this.

So they can be grilled.Many must want to put questions to the politicians.

A very important matter.And time goes quickly.

 

Of course, they can check me out (I understand that) but to unreasonably deny me or anyone their right to hold public servants accountable and then use the threat of terrorism as the reason for any refusal can not be allowed to happen..

[Consumer dude]

So this is a call for anyone to advise me or anyone else how do I directly question David Cameron in the build up to the EU referendum..

[tobyjugg2]

So this is a call for anyone to advise me or anyone else how do I directly question David Cameron in the build up to the EU referendum..

 

Become a member of the Tory front bench, - strike that, not good enough

 

- become a CEO of a major financial institution and just tell him what you want at the lodge meetings.

[Tawnyowl]

Interesting.What could this possibly lead to.

Who offered this deal.

MIGRATION TIMEBOMB: Europe braced for 'UNCOUNTABLE influx' as Turkey wins visa-free travel

Officials in Brussels offered Turkey £2.3 billion and visa-free travel if it clamps down on the number of refugees making their way into Europe through its borders.

 

But today a prominent German politician warned EU leaders may have robbed Peter to pay Paul, shutting off one influx but opening up the continent to 80 million Turkish citizens.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/648922/migrant-crisis-Europe-braced-uncountable-influx-Turkey-visa-free-travel

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting.What could this possibly lead to.

Who offered this deal.

MIGRATION TIMEBOMB: Europe braced for 'UNCOUNTABLE influx' as Turkey wins visa-free travel

Officials in Brussels offered Turkey £2.3 billion and visa-free travel if it clamps down on the number of refugees making their way into Europe through its borders.

 

But today a prominent German politician warned EU leaders may have robbed Peter to pay Paul, shutting off one influx but opening up the continent to 80 million Turkish citizens.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/648922/migrant-crisis-Europe-braced-uncountable-influx-Turkey-visa-free-travel

 

 

Yes.

This is the EU desperately resisting allowing Turkey to become a member of the EU while still trying to get Turkey to control the migrants coming through.

 

Even more reason for an out vote.

 

Remember Germany told all these illegal migrants they are welcome despite EU rules and law.

then continues to try to tell all the rest of the EU that they have to take their share (the ones Germany doesn't want who aren't employable professionals and wont get German citizenship)

[Tawnyowl]

I have not realised this had happened.The deal.And how widely known this deal about visas is in Great Britain

This will unsettle many who are considering how to vote surely.When this news becomes widely known.

It got me flapping a touch when i read it.

 

I would suggest people read that article,take it in and have your say.How you feel about things.

So the map of Europe would be up to Turkeys border.If they came in the EU of course.

But before that could or may,may not happen ,they have this deal with visas,good grief.

Wonder what country borders with Turkey.

But i might be looking at things wrongly of course.

Feel free to correct me.

[tobyjugg2]

Yes.

This is the EU desperately resisting allowing Turkey to become a member of the EU while still trying to get Turkey to control the migrants coming through.

 

Even more reason for an out vote.

 

Remember Germany told all these illegal migrants they are welcome despite EU rules and law.

then continues to try to tell all the rest of the EU that they have to take their share (the ones Germany doesn't want who aren't employable professionals and wont get German citizenship)

 

and strangely NATO and US/UK politicians are saying that Assad and the Russians are weaponising migration when I think anyone who looks can see its Turkey doing exactly that

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3471729/NATO-commander-says-Russia-Syria-using-migrant-crisis-weapon.html

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/623379/EU-migrant-crisis-Turkey-Britain-refugees

[tobyjugg2]

Proposals to return illegal migrants to Turkey

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/11/nato-launches-naval-patrols-to-return-migrants-to-turkey

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/netherlands-plan-ferry-refugees-turkey-160128170612335.html

 

http://www.ekathimerini.com/206547/article/ekathimerini/news/turkey-says-proposing-migrant-return-deals-with-14-countries

[silverfox1961]

I have followed these shenanigans over the past few days and these come to mind.

 

The bosses of Rolls Royce spell out the risks of a Brexit to their employees. Rolls Royce is owned by BMW

 

Out campaigners refused access to government papers. What have the pro Europe brigade got to hide?

 

France now saying they will stop allowing Britain to do passport checks in Calais. Let's not forget that the French have a passport control in England.

 

As it stands, I am still 50/50 and when the scaremongerers start spouting the risks of leaving, I tend to sway towards the out campaign. I have neither seen nor heard anything promoted by the Europhiles that hasn't been debunked by the Eurosceptics.

 

I have received only one publication through my letterbox so far and that was for the Pro's. Nothing whatsoever from the Anti's

[tobyjugg2]

I have followed these shenanigans over the past few days and these come to mind.

 

The bosses of Rolls Royce spell out the risks of a Brexit to their employees. Rolls Royce is owned by BMW

 

Out campaigners refused access to government papers. What have the pro Europe brigade got to hide?

 

France now saying they will stop allowing Britain to do passport checks in Calais. Let's not forget that the French have a passport control in England.

 

As it stands, I am still 50/50 and when the scaremongerers start spouting the risks of leaving, I tend to sway towards the out campaign. I have neither seen nor heard anything promoted by the Europhiles that hasn't been debunked by the Eurosceptics.

 

I have received only one publication through my letterbox so far and that was for the Pro's. Nothing whatsoever from the Anti's

 

add to that that the Bankers are all in the UK not primarily to benefit from trade in the EU, but to benefit from the UK's protection of them from EU regulations (like pay limits) while still allowing them to trade with the EU at the UK taxpayers risk.

 

It is the only real concession Cameron got - protection for the city of London financial institutions.

[unclebulgaria67]

Those who are 50/50 on the referendum should think carefully about risk.

 

The main risk is an economic heart attack affecting the UK and world markets for many years. Brexit could be the heart attack that leads to unintended consequences, with the collapse of the Euro and EU, pound sterling going on a rollercoaster ride, stock market falls, pension fund earnings reduced, changes to UK debt interest.

 

Some ( e.g Mervyn King ) are already predicting another major financial crash, as the Banks have not really recovered since 2008. Also the shadow Banks are carrying massive levels of debt. It is possible the next crash could be worse than 2007/08.

 

Would you vote Brexit, even if you knew there was a big financial risk, that could affect you and your family for years. Is independence from the EU so important and beneficial in the long run to the UK, that it is worth taking the risk ?

[tobyjugg2]

Those who are 50/50 on the referendum should think carefully about risk.

 

The main risk is an economic heart attack affecting the UK and world markets for many years. Brexit could be the heart attack that leads to unintended consequences, with the collapse of the Euro and EU, pound sterling going on a rollercoaster ride, stock market falls, pension fund earnings reduced, changes to UK debt interest.

 

Some ( e.g Mervyn King ) are already predicting another major financial crash, as the Banks have not really recovered since 2008. Also the shadow Banks are carrying massive levels of debt. It is possible the next crash could be worse than 2007/08.

 

Would you vote Brexit, even if you knew there was a big financial risk, that could affect you and your family for years. Is independence from the EU so important and beneficial in the long run to the UK, that it is worth taking the risk ?

 

I broadly agree with all that unclebulgaria, BUT

Being in the EU (or out) will not protect the UK taxpayer from the fallout from these UK based banks, even if theose same banks and financial institutions pay Fanny Adams tax here.

 

Being in the EU will not protect the UK from increasing migration and the vast surge that WILL occur as Turkey gets its way. What worth building 156,000 houses a year (2015 figures) when net migration is 300,000+ a year and rising even now.

http://www.nhbc.co.uk/NewsandComment/UKnewhouse-buildingstatistics/Year2015/

 

The pound may fall, but so will the euro.

 

Stock markets falling will affect pensions only 'on paper' and for those who take their pensions during the collapse - just as is always the case, and financial fall deflation is as likely to help the poorest in cheaper essentials.

 

Big businesses who pay nothing in tax while enjoying UK protection from EU regulation want us to stay in, but small businesses more want the preferentially treated big businesses out of their matkets.

Perhaps that would cause some price rises, perhaps even more than the falls which would result, but the tax and income would remain in the UK

 

 

We cant really do much about the financial institutions, so migration is THE big issue.

[unclebulgaria67]

Why vote Brexit to trigger a possible heart attack ?

 

Surely, it is up to the government to assess risk and recommend to British public what is best ?

 

They are advising people to vote to remain.

 

If independent economists start to issue warnings, we would be mad to ignore.