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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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Hello

 

A month ago I posted news about being successful BUT am still waiting for DWP to action!!!!

 

Is there a time-limit for DWP to put this decision through and pay arrears?? (they clear a WCA decision speedily but not a reversal)

 

Even intervention from an advice centre hasn't moved things along.

 

Like DWP don't care and fob off.

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As I recall from my own case I got notified by letter by the Tribunal Service of the result of the Hearing within a couple of days of the Hearing. The other party, in this case the DWP, gets notified at the same time.

Each party has 1 month from the date of notification to appeal the Tribunal Decision. In my case it was straight forward enough and the benefit that had been withheld as a result of a sanction was repaid within two weeks. Some cases may be more complicated than others and it may take a bit longer to decide on whether or not to appeal, but if nothing is heard after a month it is more than likely that DWP does not intend to appeal the decision of the Tribunal and they are just being vindictive.

After a month it would be advisable to inform DWP yourself, formally and in writing, of the Tribunal Decision and ask to be informed as to the reason for the delay in complying with the Tribunal Decision.

Advise them that unless you get a response to your enquiries within 7 days you will notify the Tribunal Service of their (the DWP's) failure to comply with the Tribunal's Decision and that you intend to ask them (the Tribunal Service) to initiate legal proceedings to recover the money that you are owed by DWP.

Contacting DWP by phone, especially when it's you that want something off them, can be futile. The unknown nonentity that you talk to may not pass on your enquiry at all and later may deny even receiving it.

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Hi Lapsed Workaholic

 

Going through MR / Pre-Tribunal was a nightmare in itself ! (lengthy paperwork merry-go-round, slow call-back and differing responses)

 

My decision notice (notes) says that the Tribunal has no legal powers to enforce its decision and will not assist to compel payment

 

I just wish they acted as swiftly like they did after my WCA

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You can ring DWP, I got a letter on the 28th Of April, stating my tribunal was cancelled & the DWP had to reinstate my benefit & pay any monies owed, I rang the dwp that day & the money, all of it, was in my account by the 6th May.

Hi SS

 

I've since chased-up DWP and there's a total lack of sincerity - they're not willing to do anything despite the anguish caused by lengthy waits. Am not really reassured by their arbitrary timescales.

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The person you talk to on the phone when you call the dwp is a phone monkey and know little about your claim. Your best option is to send a copy of your decision notice from the Tribunal to the dwp, just in case the copy from the Tribunal has gone astray.

 

Be aware though that it takes up to two weeks from posting something to the dwp for it to reach someone's desk, and then it sits in a pile on someone's desk until the decision maker works through the pile to your decision notice. Everyone in the pile in front of you is also waiting for their esa to be sorted in some way. We would normally advise people following a favourable tribunal decision it can take up to 8 weeks to be actioned and reinstated.

 

But as I said, send a copy of your decision notice, wait two weeks and then call and ask for a call back from a decision maker.

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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HI estellyn

 

Advice centre sent it to them way back (before I posted on here)

 

They won't get anybody to ring me back, just saying I have to wait my turn.

 

As I said, it can take 8 weeks, so if you're not able to be firm with the phone monkey, just try and be patient and remember even if you did manage to jump the queue, you'd be delaying other people's decisions.

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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As I said, it can take 8 weeks, so if you're not able to be firm with the phone monkey, just try and be patient and remember even if you did manage to jump the queue, you'd be delaying other people's decisions.

 

Thanks for reply...

 

If they just could say if we go past a certain point we would escalate it, rather than leaving it to run on and on.

 

I'm trying to be patient. (not easy given the circumstances to date)

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Thanks for reply...

 

If they just could say if we go past a certain point we would escalate it, rather than leaving it to run on and on.

 

I'm trying to be patient. (not easy given the circumstances to date)

 

If it gets to 8 weeks and you haven't heard then just be very firm with the phone monkey. If they refuse to offer you a callback request to speak to their supervisor. Be polite but insistent.

We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office ~ Aesop

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your case is similar to ours

won the decision on 7 july but still waiting for backpay and esa support group

first 2 calls to dwp no good just fobbed off

this week spoke to more helpful person who rang the actual people who deal with it

confirmed they recieved the decision on 7 july.same day of tribunal

stated there was a backlog from last november but would now put ours at top of pile

just hope they didnt say that to fob us off!

congrats on getting yours sorted

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