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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Hello everyone,

 

I'm seeking some advice on bailiffs and the process.

Long story short, I have 11 parking tickets I knew nothing about because of the sale of the car and moving around the same time.

(for full details: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?426909-Enforcement-of-Road-Traffic-Debts-Newlyn)

 

In any case, I filed TE9 & 7 forms as advised and the pertinent details are as follows:

 

TEC acknowledged receipt of my forms on 17/06/2014

TEC confirmed transmittal of my forms by email to Tower Hamlet 17/06/2014

TEC confirmed transmittal of my forms by post to Tower Hamlet 18/06/2014

Tower Hamlet denies receipt of any of my forms either by email or post from TEC 24/06/2014

Newlyn postponed action (14/06/2014) for four weeks (until 11/07/2014).

TEC said it will take 19 working days from processing till decision (probably 14 or 15/07/2014)

and 6 weeks until I hear anything from them (around 25/07/2014).

 

I don't want to take chances with bailiffs.

What should my next action be?

The council said that they have now contacted the TEC.

Any advice appreciated!

Help me.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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OK.

An update.

Not very positive.

 

I have contacted the council first to see if they've received anything from TEC.

 

They claim they haven't even after their 'appeals officer' called TEC

(this call was allegedly made on 24/06/2014).

 

I asked them to put a temporary hold on the case.

They won't unless they receive the TE9 & 7 forms from TEC.

 

Then I called TEC to confirm they have sent the second email.

TEC said they sent their second email containing my files on 24/06/2014

 

I asked them what I should do if the bailiffs just turn up at my address,

they told me to call the police (but I don't know how much help this would be).

 

I then called Newlyn and asked if they would put the case on hold.

They won't unless the council tell them to.

 

I called the council again to plead to hold any action; they wouldn't.

 

I'm in a bit of a pickle here.

 

Can some one please help me?!

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OK a bit more update.

Very interesting stuff.

Last week, I called the council again to confirm they've now received my TE9 & 7 forms from TEC.

They denied having received anything at all.

 

I was worried but they kept saying there was nothing they could do to rectify the situation.

 

Yesterday, I received a text from Newlyn, saying "Enforcement agent due to attend today..." etc etc.

It prompted me to call the council again.

And they said the action is now on hold until the decision comes out from TEC and they said the action was placed on hold on 14/07/2014 (this is last monday)

Then I called Newlyn to confirm; they confirmed this.

But one thing really odd the council said when I called was that they asked me what my reg. number was, I gave them that number and THEN they asked me what make and colour the car was, to confirm they are talking to the right person, I said RED mini.

But apparently the car which received all these PCNs in concern, was GREY!

 

This could mean, either:

 

- the car isn't mine. The reg. plate has been stolen and has been put on a different car of the same make, or;

- it's the same car but they repainted it, in which case they should have notified the DVLA as it is a significant change that might count as a material fact.

 

My question to the forum is:

 

If the description of the car on the registration for which they say I was responsible when the PCNs were issued, is significantly different (in this case the colour), then is it even legitimate that the council hold me accountable for the car just because it carried my former reg. plate?

 

PLEASE COULD SOMEONE HELP?

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The car colour isn't an issue in itself. If you are concerned that your plates have been cloned, ask the council for a photo of the car when it was ticketed. Then you can see if it's your car or a different one.

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The car colour isn't an issue in itself. If you are concerned that your plates have been cloned, ask the council for a photo of the car when it was ticketed. Then you can see if it's your car or a different one.

 

It sounds like number plate cloning to me, Jamberson. Your advice is sound.

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Hello all!

 

I've got some good news but it also comes with some complication.

I just called TEC and they confirmed that they have issued the revocation orders for my parking tickets (I've only checked 7 so far but I'm guessing they have all been revoked. I will check the rest tomorrow)

 

I understand that the original parking tickets are still standing and notice to owner will be served again.

The only issue is that I have moved again since the filing of TE9 & 7 forms and the council will only send the NTOs to the address which appears on the TE9 & 7 forms, despite my having notified the TEC of my new correspondence address.

I don't own a place of my own and hence I move around a lot. So I don't want to end up being in the same situation again.

I have contacted the property agency for my old address and asked for access but obviously I will be at their mercy for whether I can do that or not.

 

My question now is, would I be able to ask TEC to tell the council to send all correspondences to my new address, which is different from my the address that appears on the Te9 & 7 forms?

 

Thanks for all your help

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OK.

The council has now updated their system with my latest address.

My new question now is:

 

"Will new NTOs still be valid (which haven't been received yet), as the original parking tickets were issued over 1 year ago?"

 

Let me know and thanks for all your help!

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There are two issues here.

 

One....there has been a public LGO decision which was heavily critical of a local authority for failing to update their records when advised of a new address. Thankfully, the LA have now updated your address so there is no longer an issue.

 

Second:

 

A person may ONLY file and OTT on four specific grounds. The common one being that (like in your case) they had not received a Notice to Owner. If the OTT is successful then the local authority may issue a new Notice to Owner. Once received, you can either pay the charge or alternatively.....appeal the PCN's.

 

PS: Good to hear that your applications were accepted. Many are not....

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I do not have time to read back on your posts to see that dat of the contravention. If the contravention date on the PCN's is AFTER the date on which DVLA have confirmed that you were no the owner of the vehicle then the letter from DVLA can be used as the basis of your appeal.

 

However, if the LA have been given a copy of the DVLA letter then there should be no need at all for them to even reissue new NTO's. !!!

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Thanks for the reply.

 

Are you sure?

All the contraventions took place after the 12th of April 2013.

They should have the letter but from my experience with LA, they are not up to scratch with their work/progress /update of any new information.

Do you think the letter is good enough as evidence of me not being the owner at the time of alleged contraventions?

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Wait to receive the new NtO's and use the DVLA letter to appeal and wait their response.

 

Hello Guys,

 

Long time no nothing. My apologies for not updating you for an entire year.

I did appeal in the end to PATAS (now called something else) around October 2014 and the appeal for all 11 of them have been allowed by the adjudicator on the basis of the letter from DVLA (November 2014) and I did NOT have to pay a single penny.

 

Thank you all guys and have a great Christmas.

All in all it took 11 month from the Newlyn's first phone call till they were successfully appealed against.

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