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    • It seems the solicitor has got your case listed for this “appeal” but not for the Stat Dec(SD). You need to ensure you can perform your SD on the day. If you are able to make your SD in court, the situation you are in now is more straightforward than if you made your SD via a solicitor. You have been convicted of two offences (and two were dropped) via proceedings of which you were not aware. The way to remedy that is to perform an SD. No appeal is necessary (nor is it available via the magistrates’ court). If you are able to make your SD this is how I see it panning out: You will make your SD to the court. The court must allow you to make it as it will have been made within 21 days of you discovering your convictions. You will then be asked to enter pleas to the four charges again. At this point you should plead not guilty to all four but make the court aware that you will plead guilty to the speeding charges on the condition that the FtP charges are dropped. The prosecutor will be asked whether or not this is agreed. In my opinion the overwhelming likelihood is that it will be. If it is you will be sentenced for the two speeding offences under the normal guidelines. In the unlikely event it is not accepted,  the speeding charges will be withdrawn (they have no evidence you were driving). You have no viable defence to the FtP charges and so should plead guilty. This will mean 12 points and a “totting up” ban (as you have already suffered). You can present an “Exceptional Hardship” argument to try to avoid this (explained below).   Because of this, I don’t see any need to make an argument to ask to have any ban suspended (pending an appeal to the Crown Court) unless and until you are banned again. The only reason I can think the solicitor suggested this is to secure a (Magistrates')  court date. I was surprised when you said you had an appointment so quickly; a date for an SD usually takes longer than that. However, if you can use it to your advantage, all well and good. I can’t comment on the argument that the two speeding offences were committed “on the same occasion” as I don’t have the details. That phrase is not defined anywhere and is a matter for the court to decide. It’s an interesting thought (and only that) that such an argument could equally be made for the two FtP offences. If the requests for driver’s details arrived at your old address at the same time, with the same deadline for reply, it could be argued that you failed to respond to hem both “on the same occasion” (i.e when the 28 days to respond expired) and so should only receive penalty points for one. Hopefully you won’t need to go there. I think you have information about avoiding a “totting up” ban. But here’s the magistrates’ latest guidance on "Exceptional Hardship" (EH) which they refer to: When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following: It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn. Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence; Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive. If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account. Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable; Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others. I must say, I still do not understand what the solicitor means by “As a safeguard we have lodged the appeal and applied to suspend your ban pending appeal due to the time limit for being able to automatically appeal without getting leave of the Judge.” When they speak of “leave of the judge” I assume they mean they have lodged an appeal with the Crown Court. I don’t know what for or why they would do this. It seems to follow on from their explanation of the “totting up” ban. If so, I’m surprised that the Crown Court has accepted an appeal against something that has not yet happened. But as I said, i is no clear to me. Only you can decide whether to employ your solicitor to represent you in court. If it was me I would not because there is nothing he can say that you cannot say yourself. However, I am fairly knowledgeable of the process and confident I can deal with it. That said, I do have a feeling that the solicitor is somewhat “over egging the pudding” by introducing such things as appeals to the Crown Court which, in all honesty, you can deal with if they are required. I can only say that the process you will attempt to employ is by no means unusual and all court users will be familiar with it. I can also say that I have only ever heard of one instance where it was refused. In summary, it is my view that it is very unlikely that your offer to do the deal will be refused. If it is accepted, you may be able to persuade he court that the two speeding offences occurred "on the same occasion" and so should only receive one lot of points. Let me know the details (timings, places, etc) and I'll give you my opinion. Just in case your offer is refused, you should have your EH argument ready. Whether it's worth paying what will amount to many hundreds of pounds to pay someone to see this through is your call.  Let me know if I can help further.    
    • This must be part of the new tactic from Evri.  They know they are going to lose. They take it to the wire and then don't bother to turn up in order to save themselves costs and of course they don't give a damn about the cost to the British taxpayer and the extra court delays they cause. This is a nasty dishonest company – but rather in line with all of the parcel delivery industry which knows that their insurance requirements are unlawful. They know that their prohibited items are for the most part unfair terms. They know for the most part that a "safe place" is exactly what it means – are not left on somebody's doorstep in full view. They know that obtaining a signature means that they have to show the signature not simply claim that they received a signature. They are making huge profits especially from their unlawful and unenforceable insurance requirement. Although this is less valuable than the PPI scandal, in terms of the number of people who are affected nationwide, PPI pales into insignificance. I hope the paralegals working for Evri are proud of themselves and they tell their families what they have done during the day when they go home.
    • Your PCN does not comply with the Protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9[2][a] (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The only time on the PCN is 17.14. That is only  a time for there to be a period there would have to be a start and and end time mentioned. of course they do show the ANPR arrival and departures  times but that is not the parking period and their times are on the photographs not on the PCN. They also failed to comply with S.9[2][f] as they omitted to say that they could only pursue the keeper if they complied with the Act. That means that they can only pursue the driver as the keeper cannot be held liable for the charge. As they do not know who was driving and Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person they will struggle to win. Especially as so many people are able to legally drive your car and you haven't appealed giving them no indication therefore of who was driving. Small nitpicking point-the date of Infringement was 22/04/2024. They appear to be saying that they can charge an extra amount [up to £70 ] if they have to use a debt collector. You do not have a contract with a debt collector so they cannot add that cost. You paid for four hours so it can only be the 15 minutes they are complaining about. You are entitled to a ten minute minimum grace period at the end of the parking period which would be easier to explain if the car park had been bigger. However if you allow for two minutes to park and two minutes to leave that gives you one minute to account for. Things like being held on the way out by cars in front waiting to get on to Northgate or even your own car being held up trying to get on to Northgate at a busy time. then other considerations like having to stop to allow pedestrians to walk in front of you or being held up by another car doing a u turn in front of your car. you would have to check with the driver and see if they could account for an extra one minute things like a disabled passenger or having to strap in a child . I am not advocating lying since that could lead to serious problems [like jail time] but there can be an awful lot of minor things that can cause a hold up of a minute even the engine not starting straight away or another car being badly parked as examples. Sadly you cannot include the 5 minute Consideration period as both IPC and BPA fail to comply with the convention that you can include that time with the Grace period.  
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
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Petition:

https://www.change.org/petitions/prime-minister-this-petition-is-to-clean-up-the-financial-enforcement-industry-by-creating-a-public-authority-whose-members-are-selected-by-public-vote

 

 

This petition is to set up a publicly run body overseeing all debt recovery personnel, debt recovery businesses and government financial penalty issuing authorities. The public body members will be selected by a public vote.

 

 

 

The public run body will have full authority to grant licences to, investigate, punish or dismiss any court appointment bailiff, debt recovery agent, enforcement officer or their businesses.

 

 

 

The public body will have complete authority and autonomy from government or judicial interference to make decisions based on its own findings on any persons or entities working within the UK who are responsible for collecting monies or issuing financial penalties.

 

 

 

The public body will oversee all debt recovery businesses and people within these businesses. The public body will oversee and contribute to regulation on the industry and licences to trade.

 

 

 

The purpose of the agency is to:

 

 

 

· Ensure ‘fit and proper’ people are working within the industry.

 

· Create a culture of ethical behaviour within the industry.

 

· Create transparency within the industry.

 

· Regulate practice that is deemed publicly fit.

 

· Be an authority for the public to raise serious concerns to and have them investigated as an authority.

 

 

 

· Grant compensation to people who are caused serious issues through regulatory negligence or unfit practices. To impose fines upon, investigate, punish or dismiss these persons or companies who are not working within the guidelines set out by the public authority.

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Do we require a public authority overseeing bailiffs activities:

 

Please Read and Comment:

 

The public run body will have full authority to grant licences to, investigate, punish or dismiss any court appointment bailiff, debt recovery agent, enforcement officer or their businesses.

 

 

 

The public body will have complete authority and autonomy from government or judicial interference to make decisions based on its own findings on any persons or entities working within the UK who are responsible for collecting monies or issuing financial penalties.

 

 

 

The public body will oversee all debt recovery businesses and people within these businesses. The public body will oversee and contribute to regulation on the industry and licences to trade.

 

 

 

The purpose of the agency is to:

 

 

 

· Ensure ‘fit and proper’ people are working within the industry.

 

· Create a culture of ethical behaviour within the industry.

 

· Create transparency within the industry.

 

· Regulate practice that is deemed publicly fit.

 

· Be an authority for the public to raise serious concerns to and have them investigated as an authority.

 

 

 

· Grant compensation to people who are caused serious issues through regulatory negligence or unfit practices. To impose fines upon, investigate, punish or dismiss these persons or companies who are not working within the guidelines set out by the public authority.

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Please dont make multiple threads on the same topic.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

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danepaul is this a personal or professional issue. I see you've posted this link on another forum all over the place as well. Just wondered who you are as you're an unknown name on the forums. Not criticising, just being nosey I guess :-D

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We are aiming to change the law by creating a public authority overseeing bailiffs activities with full power and autonomy to investigate, licence and regulate the industry.

 

Please let me know your thoughts, experiences and knowledge on Bailiffs and issues your or somebody you know might have faced.

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Hello, this is not a similar threat, the first threads yesterday were asking people to support our petition. This threat is asking for feedback on peoples experiences with bailiffs. This is my area of experitise so I will ask questions relevant to this issue and do they believe we should have a public forum on the issue. :-)

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My view - a complete waste of time. We already have umpteen ombudsmen and departments overseeing the industry, but they are both gutless and without power.

 

Many people feel the same, which is why we aim to get an appointed public forum on the matter. I feel from what I have been hearing that we must really challenge this area otherwise things may never change for the better.

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danepaul is this a personal or professional issue. I see you've posted this link on another forum all over the place as well. Just wondered who you are as you're an unknown name on the forums. Not criticising, just being nosey I guess :-D

 

Thank you Cough Drop and be as nosey as you like :-) This is a professional issue and they are not the same (they were yesterday as I am new to the site :-)) But today I am asking for peoples point of view and experiences on the subject of bailiffs. I want to see if me and my group are going in the right direction in peoples eyes who have been in situations with debt recovery agents and bailiffs. I want to know what you think we should do to make the industry more transparent and ethical. I was invited by members of my groups who are on facebook to come onto this site as they are frequent members here to get further feedback and support :-)

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The reason me and my colleagues put this petition together is because an older lady who lived near me was terroised by a bailiff, she was shaking and scared on her front door, for an issue that was not hers. I was not aware of these issues prior to this. When I tried putting a complaint in to the local authority and his company, the were not dealt with satisfactorily. This lunatic should not be in any position of authority. When I asked questions through social media, I was very angered by the stories that came back to me. I have since researched the industry quite heavily and decided to change things. We should not sit back and let this continue the way it is going. Any of us can be on the end of these bullies. (not all bailiffs, as many are very good and professional at their jobs) but many are not and lack of transparency and accountability supports unethical and in some cases illegal behavior. That is the driving reason for this. Hope this makes sense.

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I think you will find you're treading the same path many of us on here have already trodden. It's great you want to do something but realistically you will never do this just as a small group. You will know if you've researched as much as you say that the government is well aware of this issue and many bailiff companies want tighter regulation for the rogue bailiffs. It will be better to work with the existing channels trying to get bailiff reform than to start another splinter group attempting to do the same thing. That's not to say give, stay involved, learn more and more and contribute to others problems. Get your friends on board here if they're knowledgeable or wanting to learn, we all start journeys somewhere. You'll achieve more helping with day to day problems, and there are some effective complaints procedures through the LGO and Form 4's for serious complaints.

 

That's only my view, it's not for me to tell you what to do, I just think you'll do more good that way than the way you're talking about. :wink:

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I think you will find you're treading the same path many of us on here have already trodden. It's great you want to do something but realistically you will never do this just as a small group. You will know if you've researched as much as you say that the government is well aware of this issue and many bailiff companies want tighter regulation for the rogue bailiffs. It will be better to work with the existing channels trying to get bailiff reform than to start another splinter group attempting to do the same thing. That's not to say give, stay involved, learn more and more and contribute to others problems. Get your friends on board here if they're knowledgeable or wanting to learn, we all start journeys somewhere. You'll achieve more helping with day to day problems, and there are some effective complaints procedures through the LGO and Form 4's for serious complaints.

 

That's only my view, it's not for me to tell you what to do, I just think you'll do more good that way than the way you're talking about. :wink:

 

Thank you and mabey your right, but to me it isnt that black and white. I will continue my path :-) thank you for your feedback though.

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Many people feel the same, which is why we aim to get an appointed public forum on the matter. I feel from what I have been hearing that we must really challenge this area otherwise things may never change for the better.

 

 

 

We need something that is akin to the IPCC, made up of civilian public and experts.

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That is my aim, I am currently studying economics and understand the economic value of enforcement officers, so the only true way forward is by having a public authority overseeing the industry, with complete autonomy to make decisions without political interference. We can use experts from UK universities and appoint members overseeing the authority by vote. Some will no doubt come from this forum. It will be the only fair and just way to ensure the authority represents the public. Any thoughts or recommendations?

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Perhaps you could try one of those government petitions. Ten thousand sigs gets it debated in parliament.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4418819

Also Put your request on http://pensionersclub.co.uk you know how pensioners are for doing the right thing.

 

That is my aim, I am currently studying economics and understand the economic value of enforcement officers, so the only true way forward is by having a public authority overseeing the industry, with complete autonomy to make decisions without political interference. We can use experts from UK universities and appoint members overseeing the authority by vote. Some will no doubt come from this forum. It will be the only fair and just way to ensure the authority represents the public. Any thoughts or recommendations?

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If this body is to be free from all government intervention/support,how will it be funded,on a set up level and then on a day to day running level?

 

Would the vote system for appointing members be a nationwide vote for each individual?

 

And why do you think that "experts" from universities would do a good job, many are already consulted by government and supply their expertise,i cannot see they would give better advice to yourself than they already supply.

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If this body is to be free from all government intervention/support,how will it be funded,on a set up level and then on a day to day running level?

 

Would the vote system for appointing members be a nationwide vote for each individual?

 

And why do you think that "experts" from universities would do a good job, many are already consulted by government and supply their expertise,i cannot see they would give better advice to yourself than they already supply.

 

OK I See, The body will have complete 'autonomy' to make decisions independent government intervention. This is the body will be able to make decisions based on our own research without the government telling us our decision were wrong or delaying processes. The bodies powers will be able to act on its members decisions concerning any aspect of the industry that is demanded upon by the public.

I understand your point with universities, that was not the only referrence we will use, it was just one option. Universities tend to work from a place of researched understanding, so they spend their time looking far deeper into things than the average person. But you are right, and there are plenty of people we can call upon, either way that will be down to the majority to choose. :-)

 

As for financing, their are several ways, either by the public or licencing of the industry etc. This is something that is also going to have to be decided when the time is near.

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